Reasons delivered by the Committee of Citizens, Adventurers in London for Lands in Ireland, to the Committee appointed by the Right Honourable the Lord Major, Aldermen and Common Councell of the said City, to be delivered to the said Court, of their refusall to lend Monies upon security of the Ordinance of the 15th of August last, made for raising Monies for Ireland, to begin in November next, and to continue for six Moneths.
THe Adventurers, with their Monies raised upon their first Propositions, were to have carried over a Brigade of 500 Horse, and 5000 Foot, into Munster in Ireland, against those Rebels; which businesse they were to have carried on by Officers chosen by themselves, whereby they had the oversight of that businesse, and laying out of their own Money, for the best advantage of the Service.
When they had well nigh raised and armed all their Forces, and made all other Provisions fit for transportation, both their Money, and Men, and Provisions, were (upon an unavoidable occasion) made use of by the State here, upon a suddain and unexpected breaking forth of the distractions here at home, and the remain of what was not thus imployed, or that hath come into their Treasuries since, have likewise been made use of by the State here, wherewith to content the Irish Officers, who have done very little or no service for all the Money that they had since.
These distractions increasing, and thereupon when those Lords and Commons that were appointed by Commission, under the great Seal of England, by direction both of King and Parliament, to manage the Irish affairs, had withdrawn themselves from further medling in the businesse; and when after that, a Committe of the Honourable House of Commons, made by order of the third of September, 1642. for ordering of the Irish affairs, had acted therein so long, as that they had left no Cash in any Irish Treasury to answer their Orders; and that a generall clamour of the Irish Souldiary was now upon them for pay and supplies, which they could not remedy; and a hard matter it was, by reason of the use of Monies here, to finde out a means to give [Page 2] them satisfaction; when Bristol, Chester, and most of th' other parts of the West, were possessed by the Enemy, whereby all conveniencies for sending for Ireland were taken away, then the Adventurers in London, made more Propositions to raise more Money from among themselves, without Tax or Assessement of the Subject, to carry on that Warre.
That thereupon an Ordinance was made, establishing those new Propositions, and to secure all such as should adventure any Money thereupon, and erecting and setling of a new Committee, consisting of some of the Members of the Honourable House of Commons, and of diverse Aldermen and Merchants of London, Adventurers for Lands in Ireland, chosen out by the Body of Adventurers to manage the Irish affairs.
And they were no sooner made a Committee, but the Citizens of the Committee, are perswaded to advance 10000lb or thereabouts worth of Arms, Ammunition and victuals, wherewith to furnish 500 Horse, and 5000 Foot, of the British Regiments in Ʋlster, upon promise, that they should, being thus furnished, march out of that Province against the Rebels, into other parts of the Kingdom, having no enemy near themselves; which Goods were presently provided and delivered accordingly, yet they never did service therewith, nor at any time since, that the Committee can understand.
That by the labour and industry of the Citizens of that Committee, they have procured 30000lb worth of Provisions more to be sent to the Forces there, out of Holland and the Low Countries, which if they had not received, they had disbanded and quit the Countrey to the Enemy, or must have complied in the Cessation with the Rebels, (which had been as bad) as some of the O [...]ficers confessed.
The said Committee of the Citizens also, in this time have sent 5000lb worth more of Provisions thither, which were bought with the Adventurers Money.
Yet they are now left in debt 5000lb or thereabout, for part of those Provisions thus advanced, and without means to give those satisfaction to whom they stand engaged; Which have been thus occasioned.
For that it hath been publikely delivered to the Adventurers, at a generall meeting of them, as if the Parliament intend not to performe in that Ordinance with those that have or should bring in Money for an Adventure upon it; since which time, very little or nothing hath been brought into their Treasury; and those that had subscribed upon that Ordinance, do refuse to bring in their Subscriptions.
That the Irish affairs have been since carried on, for a good time together, by the Committe of the Honourable House of Commons, of the third of [Page 3] September, 1642. and afterwards by the Honourable Committee of both Kingdoms, and now by the Honourable Committee of Lords and Commons for Propositions for Ireland, which have cooled and withdrawn the zeal and affections of the Adventurers and others, to bring in any more Money upon the said Ordinance of the 14th of July, 1643. seeing their Committee set aside, and to have no oversight or looking unto the managing of that businesse, and the disposall of their Monies; (that great summe of 300000lb or thereabouts,) which they have formerly brought in, having been imployed as aforesaid, without adding to them the least hope to possesse their Adventures.
They have been imployed since, as a Subcommittee to the Honourable Committee of both Kingdoms; in which service they have faithfully performed their trust, and have informed their Lordships of all those miscarriages and failings of the Officers in the Armies in Ireland, then under the Parliaments power, and otherwise concerning those affairs; and how the States Treasure have been wasted and consumed, and nothing done for it; with their opinions of the remedies to prevent the like misdoings for the time to come, which they having done in the birth of their imployments under their Lordships, have not lately received more of their commands, (except in raising of Monies for the Service) to which they have alwayes contributed to their powers, when they have found certain wayes of reimbursement.
In this time they have offered their endeavours freely, in making provisions for those Forces, out of the Monies raised and to be raised upon that Ordinance of the 16th of October, 1644. if to have been imployed in a Committee way upon accompt; but the Officers of the Army in Ʋlster, and one Mr Davis an Irish man, and some Cheesemongers of this City, joyning with them under hand, obtained the imployments, upon Contracts and bargains made, to deliver those Provisions at certain rates; when the Committee, if to have done the same in a Committee way, would have advanced the same much sooner, and have saved the State 12000lb, or 15000lb, in 60000lb of the prices allowed Davis; and though they alwayes declined to do any thing in a way of bargaining, yet when it was pressed of necessity to be done no other way, they offered the State to do it by computation, 7000lb or thereabouts, in the said 60000lb, under those rates that Davis offered; which not being so apprehended, he hath been the Man hath carried on all that businesse before him ever since; but by his leave hath failed in all his undertakings, both for time, manner and matter; for albeit his agreement was, for to have delivered the Goods by 10000lb the first week, and 5000lb worth [Page 4] of Goods every week after, till the whole had been delivered, yet it was four or five moneths time before he delivered any parcell, and but very lately that he delivered the last; and hath vented such base and unserviceable Commodities, as they were little worth: besides that, he and his partners did runne no hazard in it at all, for he only assigned the Monies to come in, in severall Counties to his respective Chapmen, for payment at long dayes, who took the same for satisfaction upon their own Adventures, and reserved a good share and benefit to himself; and then no doubt but they would also be Gainers by the hand, thus to trust; which must bring poor Commodities to the Market of necessity, or make his Customers but Savers by the hand; and this beginning hath brought him to be the generall undertaker and provider for whatsoever Goods have gone for the Forces of Ireland since; but in this latter bargains, he hath dealt much more securely for himself, having still fingered so much Money in hand, upon the matter, as he hath acquired the Goods withall, that if he should never get in the rest, he can be no Loser by the hand, and an extream Gainer if to receive all, and hath made provision to be satisfied some other way, if he get it not by this way; besides that, he hath taken such wayes for the delivery of the Commodities, and made such provisions for the Collections of the Monies, that he will be sure either to have it in before he shall lay it out, with a 1000lb, and 6d in the pound too for his pains in the collecting it, or if he fails, another Countrey is as good to him as this: besides that, he hath hemmed in to be paid out of these Assessements for Ireland, an old pretended Debt of 12195lb, which is upon matter of Accompt, depending before the Committee of Accompts for the Kingdoms, not yet by them allowed, and which if it shall be satisfied him, is a fortune that he hath raised in little more then Nine moneths time, by the States imployments in Ireland, there trusting him with 4000lb ready Money to buy the Souldiers Victuals, having no ability of his own before that time, wherewith to carry on such an Imployment; and the best of his Vouchers will prove Certificates in grosse from the said Colonels and Officers of that Army, for which no doubt but the common Souldiers have either made many hungry meals, or abated it out of their Commanders rents, they being most their Tennants; and therefore unwilling to go further abroad to do service, then they can bewray the smoak of their own chimnies; and yet such a Stranger as this Davis, is able thus in lesse then a years time, to furnish 160000lb worth of Commodities for Ireland, before the Committee of Adventurers, consisting of One and thirty Aldermen and good Merchants of this City, who desire to have no such gain from the Common wealth in such distracted and necessitous times as these.
The Committee of Adventurers at Grocers-Hall (out of their zeal for the Publike, and care for the preservation of that Kingdom, being so neerly concerned with this, as that the wellfare of either is wrapt up together in the safety and preservation of them both, more then for any benefit they expect by their Adventures) the 27th of August, 1644. did present severall Propositions to the Honourable House of Commons, for raising Monies principally from among themselves, wherewith to maintain those Forces against the Cessation and the Rebels, and the same day a draught of that Ordinance (passed the 16th of October, 1644. was also presented to the Honourable House of Commons, by the Committee of that Honourable House, sitting by Order of the 3d of September, 1642. aforesaid, and both were Committed together: but the Committee of Grocers-Hall as yet, (by reason of the more weighty affairs of the Kingdom,) have received no answer concerning them; they have also diverse times since renewed their humble desires therein, by severall Petitions and Remonstrances, presented both to the Honourable Houses, and the Honourable Committee of both Kingdoms, for their mediation that something might be done therein, but other the great affairs of the State, hath still prevented the consideration thereof: they have lately also addressed themselves therein to the Honourable Committee of Lords and Commons, appointed for receiving of Propositions for Ireland, with whom they debated the same, and after consultation thereof amongst themselves, of the results of both Committees, their Lordships transmitted back again unto them the heads of such of their Propositions, as they thought fit for the Consideration of the Houses, desiring that the body of Adventurers might be called together, to advise with the Committee thereupon, and to certifie them what Moneys they would advance, and what other encouragements they would give, to move the Houses to incline to passe them: and thereupon the Adventurers did meet accordingly, and upon debate thereof amongst themselves, did returne the same back again to the said Honourable Committee of Lords and Commons for Propositions for Ireland, with some small alterations; and withall did returne unto their Lordships the humble Petition of the Committee and Body of the most principall Adventurers of the City, signed with many of their hands; offering upon the credit of such an Ordinance to passe presently, to have advanced 20000lb in Money, and such Provisions as should be ordered to be sent for relief of those Forces, and that they did not doubt but thereby to make all further supplies for carrying on that Warre in Munster, and that those Forces being well supplied and maintained (under God) might be a great and ready means, quickly to reduce all that Kingdom under the power of the Parliament; and praying their [Page 6] Lordships to recommend that their Petition, with the said Propositions to the Honourable Houses to be considered accordingly; but all this notwithstanding, the Adventurers cannot understand that the same have been delivered to the Houses accordingly.
But now since the Right Honourable the Lord Major, have heretofore been desired to summon a meeting of all the Adventurers, and that it might be propounded unto them to lend 15000lb, or more Money upon the Credit of this other Ordinance lately passed, for raising Monies for Ireland, by another Assessement for six Moneths more, to begin in November next; at which meeting some of that Honourable Committee were present, and upon debate thereof it was not thought fit to be done; and indeed both the Committee and Body of Adventurers having formerly been treated with to that purpose, both before and since the passing of that Ordinance, did give their opinions, that if it should passe, as things then stood, and yet do stand, it could hardly be expected that Monies would be advanced upon it, for diverse reasons then given; and since the passing it, Commissioners of the Citizens are named, without the privity of the Adventurers, to go for Munster in Ireland to act for the City there, which never had, nor hath any particular engagement in that part of the Kingdom, the Adventurers hoping they shall have their own Choice, of such as they shall employ there, concerning their Adventures.
And the Reasons that moved the Committee of Grocers-Hall heretofore, and yet doth, to refuse the lending of any Money, upon this Ordinance of the 15th of August, 1645. were, and are these following. viz.
First, The said Ordinance doth revive a former Ordinance of the 18th of October, 1644. and the Committee have never yet seen or understood of any such Ordinance made, but of an Ordinance made the 16th of October, 1644. to which this Ordinance hath no relation; and if there be no such Ordinance of the 18th of October, 1644. then this Ordinance of the 15th of August, 1645. hath lost its effect, and cannot revive that which never had a being.
Secondly, To revive an Ordinance to have continuance for a longer time, after its expiration, without more words to expresse the intent and power thereof, to make new Levies, &c. may admit of a dispute, what is meant by this word (Reviving) standing thus alone, and may well be construed only to intend the Levying of such Monies thereupon, as have not been collected within the time of its being and continuance, and in such a Case is no foundation of Credit, to engage for borrowing of Money.
Thirdly, Admitting these exceptions were out of doors, (yet then there is a proviso, that all Arrearages which shall be due and unlevied for the [Page 7] Weekly assessements upon the said Ordinance of the 18th of October, 1644. (if any such be) for the time of Continuance first limited therein, the same shall be leavied, brought in and paid to the Treasurers according to the Ordinance, and that the same shall be disposed and issued out for the discharge of the Orders and Contracts made with the Houses of Parliament, or the Committee of the two Kingdoms, in pursuance of the said Ordinance; which shews, that the word, Reviving, in the Ordinance of the 15th of August, 1645. is meant of Leavying what is behinde and unpaid of that Ordinance at the time of its expiration, and mentions nothing of any new Leavy or Assessement to be made, and so is conceived no such security to borrow Money upon as is propounded.
Fourthly, The Ordinance of the 16th of October, 1644. made for an Assessement thorow the Kingdom of England, and Dominion of Wales, for the present Relief of the British Armies in Ireland, should raise above 200000lb in all places; and that there is 80000lb charged upon it, first for relieving the Brittish Regiments in Ʋlster; and Mr John Davis hath obtained another reviving Ordinance of it, of the 27th of September, 1645. to satisfie him the summe of 36945lb more, so it is charged with 116945lb in all; of this, 50000lb is only yet come into the Treasury, that there is 66945lb yet to be leavied, and this must be leavied the first; and who will lend Money, to expect it after the leavying and payment of such a Summe, and to put it to a hazard; whenas a man may lend out his Money, and have 8lb per cent. for it, to be repaid in his own time, and to have as good security as the Kingdom can afford?
Fifthly, If only 50000lb of 200000lb have been brought in, in a years time, and at the first beginning, when men were better able and disposed to the worke, and this done by the earnest and continuall sollicitation of Mr Davis, and of his Emissaries and Creditours that are so concerned in it, and have acted it to the life; what can be conceived must follow of these Assessements in the later end of the day, when men are more and more exhausted in their estates, and who now do fall short to satisfie those Assessements (in as great a proportion) of maintenance of Generall Fairfax Army, and of the Scots Army in England, which are for their immediate and more necessary preservation, and the subduing of an Enemy here at home?
Sixtly, The people begin generally to understand the ill carriage of Mr Davis, and his fellow Cheesmongers in this businesse, and that they hunt after these bargains, to raise themselves fortunes this way, and care not how they deceive the Common wealth, so they may enrich themselves, and put the Money into their own purses; which not only makes the people unwilling, [Page 8] but many of them wilfull to refuse the payment of these Monies, which many of them do apprehend thus may be cast away; and are not a little troubled, to see the Citizens of London, men of worth and integrity, unimployed in the service; and such a poor fellow as Davis, and a meer stranger, vaulting himself herein against the whole City. For these Reasons, the Committee of Adventurers at Grocers-Hall, as heretofore, so do now again desire to be excused for lending of any Monies upon the Tearmes propounded, which they desire may be delivered to the Right Honourable the Lord Major, Aldermen and Common-Councell, as their sense and answer to their demands.
And now albeit they are not desirous to draw imployment, and the burthen of more businesse upon themselves, yet for the good and benefit of the Common-wealth, and the better safety and preservation of the Kingdom of Ireland, so nearly concerned with this; if the Houses of Parliament might be moved yet to consider of their Propositions, and to passe them into an Ordinance, in such way as they shall thinke fit, that so a ground and sure foundation may be laid, not only to relieve those Forces in Munster for the present, but to maintain and carry on that Warre there. Upon the Credit of such an Ordinance, they shall yet be willing to advance the 20000lb so formerly undertaken, and carefully to provide for continuall supplies to be made for the future; and will freely bestow their greatest care and industry, to husband things for the best benefit and advantage of the Service, without expectation of benefit or reward; and doubt not but in such case (under God) to render the Parliament a good Accompt of that Province in a short time; which is especially considerable (as the State of the affairs of that Kingdom now stands at present) that it be secured of all the rest, both against the Rebels within it self, and the Enemy that may invade it suddainly from abroad.
They have likewise hereunto annexed the Copies of those heads of their said Propositions and of their Petition, the Originals remaining with the said Committee of Lords and Commons, which were, as they conceive, once heretofore agreed upon by the said Committe and body of Adventurers, to have been presented to the Honourable Houses of Parliament for their consideration: and it is the humble suit of this Committee, that the Right Honourable the Lord Major, Aldermen and Common-Councell, would yet be pleased, if they shall so thinke fit, to interpose their mediation to the Honourable Houses of Parliament, that the same may be considered accordingly, and in such way as they shall thinke fit.
Die Veneris 24o Octobris, 1645.
At the Committee of Adventurers in London for Lands in Ireland, sitting at Grocers-Hall.
Resolved upon the Question (nemine contradicente)
That the Reasons aforesaid, this day severall times read and debated, why this Committee cannot lend any Money upon the Ordinance for the continuation of the Weekly Assessement for Ireland, be presented to morrow morning to the Committee of Common-Councell (appointed to treat with this Committee about the raising of Monies for Ireland) to be by them presented to the Right Honourable the Lord Major, Aldermen and Common-Councell of this City of London at their next meeting.
Die Mercurij, 23o Julij, 1645.
ITt is now thought fit and resolved by this Committee, That the Earl of Kent, the Lord Howard of Eskrigg, Mr Jephson, Mr Knightley, Mr Rigby, and Mr Lisle, or any two of them, be desired to take into their consideration, and to treat and debate concerning the draught of the Ordinance presented to the House of Commons, from the Committee at Grocers-Hall for the affairs of Ireland; And the said Committee at Grocers-Hall, are desired to take notice hereof, and to appoint a competent Number of them to be present at such treaty and debate, on Friday next, at three of the clock in the after-noon, in the Chambers called the Queens Court in Westminster.
Die Jovis 24o Julij, 1645.
At the Committee of Adventurers in London for Lands in Ireland.
IT is ordered, That Alderman Warner, Alderman Kendricke, Alderman Avery, Jerom Alexander, Major Thomas Chamberlen, Michael Herring, John Dethicke, George Thomason, and Samuel Langham, Members of the Committee, be intreated to meet at the Still-yard, to morrow, being [Page 10] Friday the 25th of this instant July, by Eleven of the Clock in the fore-noon, to go then presently unto Westminster, to attend the Committee of Lords and Commons, appointed for receiving of Propositions for the affairs of Ireland, according to their desires, expressed by their Order of the 23th of July instant; to consider, treat and debate together, concerning the draught of an Ordinance presented by the Committee to the Honourable House of Commons, of certain wayes and means proposed for the relief of Ireland, and especially for the Province of Munster; And the said Members of the Committee, are earnestly d [...]sired, that they would not fail herein at this time, forasmuch as it is hoped this meeting may prepare some good means for relief of that Kingdom.
Die Sabbati, 26o Julij, 1645.
IT is now Ordered by the Committee, that Sr William Brereton, and Colonel Jephson, be desired to communicate to the Committee of Irish Adventurers at Grocers-Hall, the paper of Propositions concerning Ireland now agreed on, as fit to be presented to the Houses of Parliament; and thereupon to desire them to summon the Body of Adventurers together, and to take their resolution, what inducements and motives shall be on their parts offered to the Parliament, to incline them to grant the same, either by way of undertaking, or otherwise,
The heads of an Ordinance to be prepared for the supply of the Forces in Munster, with the Amendments.
1. THat the Ordinance of the 14th of July, 1643. confirmed as well for the benefit of those that have already paid in, as that hereafter shall pay the value of a fourth part more of their Subscriptions.
Secondly, To require the payment of such Monies as have been underwritten formerly, and not paid in.
Thirdly, That where the Subscribers themselves cannot pay in their Monies subscribed for a fourth more; that in every such case, any other of the Adventurers in the first place may do it in his stead, or any other person in the second place; and to receive such benefit by the paiment of such Monies, as [Page 11] should have accrewed to such an Adventurer, if he had p [...] it in himself.
Fourthly, That for the better encouragement of the Adventurers, so much of the City of Cork [...], and Towns Corporate of Kingsale and Youghall, as belong to the Rebels, be presently exposed and set to sale, to such of the Adventurers in the first place, and others in the next place, as shall desire to purchase the same, together with such Lands as lye adjacent and contiguous to the said City and Towns respectively; for which houses and Lands, the purchasers shall pay four years purchase, to be sold and disposed by Commissioners indifferently to be appointed by the Parliament, whose rule shall be (in reference to the said four years purchase) as the said houses and Lands respectively were worth in Anno 1640. or three years before; and that such as shall adventure herein, shall not only have the same houses and Lands delivered presently to them in possession, but shall have their former adventures also set out unto them in that Province of Munster by the said Commissioners, presently as the Lands shall be conquered from the Rebels.
Fiftly, That there shall be provision to pay such Debts of the said Committee, as they have contracted in making provisions for the Sevice of Ireland (not exceeding 5000lb) the same to be paid out of the Monies to be advanced by this Ordinance.
Sixthly, That power be granted for the receiving of all such Monies, Armes, Ammunition and Provisions, as have been formerly raised by the Adventurers, and now lye in other mens hands unreceived and undisposed of, to be imployed in that service.
Seventhly, That four Ships or Friggots, not exceeding 1000 Tunne, be assigned to attend the Coasts and Harbours in the Province of Munster; and such lawfull prizes and spoils as they shall take, to be disposed of by such Commissioners as the Parliament shall send, for the better support of the Forces there.
Eighthly, That the Committee shall have power to engage the Ordinance for raising of present Monies, from time to time as occasion shall require.
Ninethly, That the Committee and Body of Adventurers shall have power from time to time, to alter, change or supply any of their Committee from amongst themselves, as they shall thinke fit.
Tenthly, That an Ordinance be past, for the Assessing and raising by a Tax throwout this Kingdom, in a proportionable rate to every Housholders estate, the value of one meal every Moneth, which shall be spared upon the Fast daies hereafter to be kept, in regard that the Monethly Fast was first instituted in respect of the miseries of Ireland.
Eleventhly, That the Committee appointed and to be appointed, shall be alwayes ready to give an accompt to the Houses of Parliament, of their doings from time to time, when they shall be thereunto required.
Twelfthly, That an Ordinance may passe, that such as are able and have plentifull estates, and have done nothing, or very little to assist the Parliament and Common wealth, but have obscured themselves from bearing the common burthens of the Kingdom all this while; that power may be given to the said Committee, fairly to treat with them to subscribe something with the willing party, and contribute herein; which if they shall obstinately and wilfully refuse to do, that in such case they may be compelled to subscribe some reasonable summe, answerable to their estates, to help to do the worke withall, as others, and to have the same benefit as others.
TO THE Honourable House of Commons in this present Parliament assembled, The Humble Petition of the Committee and Body of Adventurers in London for Lands in Ireland sitting at Grocers-Hall.
THat ever since the Parliament, by their Ordinance of the 14th of July, 1643. was pleased to make them a Committee to act in the Irish affairs, they have imployed the utmost of their endeavours to serve the Common-wealth in that businesse, and are ready to give an Accompt of their Actions therein, which they are well assured, upon examination, will render them free and clear from all neglect of duty and service in whatsoever they have been trusted.
But it hath been their unhappinesse in this time, for want of further power and trust, that they have not been so serviceable as they desired, and as otherwise they could have been.
And many moneths since, they humbly presented to this Honourable Assembly their Petition, together with certain Propositions for raising Monies for the better carrying on of that Warre, and whereof severall times since th [...]y have been, by their other Remonstrances and supplications, besought the consideration, which by the interposition of more weighty affairs have till this time [...]ven by.
And now lately they have again addressed themselves herein unto the Honourable Committee of Lord and Commons, for receiving and preparing of Propositions for the Honourable Houses for this Service, and who upon the [Page 13] debate hereof have been pleased to approve of so much thereof, as your Petitioners do humbly conceive they have already, or do shortly intend to present to this Honourable Assembly to be considered.
Your Petitioners do apprehend the Province of Munster in that Realm, and consequently that Kingdom, is now at present in great danger to be lost, without timely supplies, and provisions to be made for to maintain those Forces for the future.
And they further crave leave, humbly to present their sense and opinions of this present affair (alwayes with submission to your graver judgements) that if these Propositions shall be thought fit to be framed into an Ordinance, to passe both the Honourable Houses of Parliament; then your Petitioners, upon the credit thereof, will advance 20000lb in Money, and Provisions for the Service, and in such reasonable time as the exegencie of the occasion, and this Honourable House shall r [...]quire the same.
And are confident from time to time, to make all such further supplies for maintenance of the Forces there in that Province, by this means, as will not only render the same wholly under your power, but probably (under God) may be a great occasion to reduce those Rebels to their obedience, and subject all that Realm under the Parliaments command.
All the Adventurers also, and others with them alike concerned in that Kingdom, will thus undoubtedly be abundantly satisfied and encouraged, with ch [...]erfullnesse to contribute and lay out themselves yet more in this affair; and the Parliament will be freed from much trouble and care otherwise for to make provisions for that service for the future and time to come.
The lives of many thousands of poor Protestants, our friends and brethren, will thus be there preserved, and this Kingdom delivered from a bloud-thirsty Enemy, which otherwise will daily infest us here at home, both by sea and land.
The honour of this Nation will be thus still preserved, in maintaining our interests there, which our Ancestours heretofore have purchased, and for many hundreds of years maintained, with the expence of much Treasure and bloud.
The Parliament and its party will be hereby exceedingly strengthened, and their Adversaries extreamly weakned, both in their present hopes, power and assistance, both there and from abroad.
The Protestant party thorowout Christendome, will the rather also be encouraged to joyn with us in this great worke of Reformation, and a fruitfull and good Land will thus again ere long be repeopled, to live under the Sunshine of the Gospel, where otherwise Popery and superstition will be planted, to the great dishonour of Almighty God, and the great discomfort of the Nation to succeeding generations.
Your Petitioners will thus also save very much to the State, both in the prices and goodnesses of such provisions as shall be necessarily sent for that Service, and will do the same in time as readily, and much more satisfactorily to the people, then any particular men shall possibly be able to undertake and do; All which they humbly pray this Honourable Assembly to consider accordingly.
And they shall pray, &c.
Decemb. 11. 1645. At the Committee appointed to consider of the Reasons for not lending Money for Ireland.
ORdered that Richard Deacon Clerke to the Committee of Grocers-Hall, do bring or send to morrow at two of the Clock in the afternoon, to this Committee sitting in the Queens Court, all the Books and Papers remaining in his custody concerning the Irish affairs, since the 19th of June, 1643.
To the Worshipfull Fr. Thorpe, Esquire, sitting in the Chair of the Committee of the Honourable House of Commons, appointed to consider of the Reasons for not lending Money for Ireland, these present.
VVE have seen your Order of the 11th of this instant December, requiring our Clerke Mr Richard Deacon, to bring or send all the Books and Papers remaining in his custody, concerning the Irish affairs, since the Nineteenth of June, One thousand six hundred Fourty and three: And being ready to submit to the Honourable House of Commons in all their commands, it hath caused us to look into their Order of the Eighth of this instant, whereby you are made a Committee, and wherain we finde not any thing mentioned to that purpose; nor do we conceive how our Bookes and writings should make any discoveries of those matters within your direction; but if we shall understand from you wherein they or we may serve you and the publike, we shall be ready to attend with whatsoever shall conduce to the service; praying you to be informed, that all these which you desire from us, do now lye under Command of the Committee of Accompts [Page 15] of the Kingdoms, as our vouchers, to justifie us and our Accompts, delivered in before them, for the receipts and disbursements of such Moneys, as have come into our Treasury, and are those things, by which we must answer our proceedings, in whatsoever we have been trusted; and therefore we hope, you will not conceive it reasonable, that we should denude our selves thereof, having daily use of them also, about matters and Questions in things which we have transacted, and do frequently use them at our publike meetings, and without which we cannot discharge our duties, nor that Service committed to us.
Nor do we further apprehend our selves concerned in the matters of your inquirie, unlesse you shall thinke fit to enjoyn us to a new debate of the Propositions before you, formerly agreed upon between the Honourable Committee of Lords and Commons for Propositions, and us and the Body of Adventurers for raising Monies to carry on the Warre in Munster in Ireland; which, with submission to your better judgements, we humbly do conceive already fully digested, and made fit for the Resolution of the Houses, and which we do humbly pray you would be pleased to move for that purpose, we being no wayes able to adde or alter any thing, in, or to them, being still ready to obey the Parliaments pleasure, in whatsoever they shall determine upon them.
And for what is contained in the Reasons mentioned in your Order, was delivered by us only to the Lord Major, Aldermen and Common-Councell of the City of London, as our sense then; and why we refused to lend the 15000lb desired upon credit of the Ordinance of the 15th of August last; against which we object nothing, but what ariseth meerly out of the frame and construction of the Ordinance it self: and upon the Ordinance of the 16th of October, 1644. made for raising 80000lb for relief of the British Forces in Ireland, to which that other Ordinance of the 15th of August doth relate: and the Ordinance of the 27th of September, 1645. which Ordinances if you shall be pleased for to peruse with the Reasons, is all that we can say as to that particular; and whether substantiall or not, are no more but our apprehensions why we desire to be excused in lending the Money.
And for so much in those Reasons as doth concerne Mr Davis and his Partners, their failings, deceits and frauds used in the matters of their contracts made with the State, which is all we intended more in those Reasons; it is all matter of Accompt, and examinable by the Committee of the Accompts of the Kingdom, and now depending before them, from whom no doubt but you may be fully satisfied in all things that concerneth that busines; which their Certificate and Examinations delivered in to the Honourable [Page 12] [...] [Page 13] [...] [Page 14] [...] [Page 15] [...] [Page 16] House of Commons, and mentioned in your Order concerning him directly pointed at▪ the contracts, orders and proceedings of all which businesse concerning Mr Davis and his partners, are remaining recorded with Mr Fr [...]st Secretary to the Honourable Committee of both Kingdoms, and not with us; from whom also you may at pleasure receive all satisfaction in them that you can desire.
And more then in these things we understand not at present, whereof you desire to be satisfied; and for which we crave your pardon, if we have been too long in the relation, and to assure you there is nothing in which we will be wanting to serve you and the publike.
TO THE Honourable House of Commons in this present Parliament assembled, The Humble Petition of the Committee of Adventurers in London for Lands in Ireland, sitting at Grocers-Hall.
THat your Petitioners are enformed, that the Right Honourable the Lord Major, Aldermen and Commons of the City of London in Common-Councell assembled, have presented to this Honourable Assembly, certain Reasons given in by your Petitioners to that Honourable Court (upon conference with a Committee of them appointed to [...]eat with your Petitioners) why they could not lend the 15000lb desired upon security of the Ordinance of the 15th of August, 1645. for raising Moneys for the r [...]lief of Ireland▪ together with certain Propositions agreed upon by the Honourable Committee of Lords and Commons for Propositions for Ireland, and your Petitioners, and the Body of Adventurers, to be presented to the Parliament, of diverse wayes prescribed for raising Monies [...] that Service.
Wherein your Petitioners only intend two things, the raising Monies to [...]rry on that Warre for the future, by the Propositions, and the discovery of s [...]v [...]all grosse failings, frauds and deceipts, by Mr John Davis and his Part [...] in making Provisions for Ireland, wherein your Petiti [...] aim at [...] but the good of the S [...]te, and that the Parliament may be truly in [...]ed thereof.
And therefore they humbly pray, that this Honourable Assembly, will in the first place be pleased, to take the said Propositions into consideration, and debating them, resolve upon them, what in your grave judgements you shall thinke fit; which having been debated and agreed upon by the Committees and body of Adventurers aforesaid, do humbly conceive, they want only your Resolutions upon them: And they are humble suitors yet further, that some Commissioners from this Honourable House, and of such others as you shall thinke fit, may be presently sent for the Provinces of Munster and Ʋlster, to order things there upon the place; and that howsoever some course may be presently prescribed for raising Monies to carry on that Warre this next Summer; which they the rather importune, for that they are certified from one of your Commissioners, at this time in the Province of Ʋlster, that if 40000lb, the most in Money, the rest in Ammunition and Artillery, may be sent them before March next, an Army of 10000 Horse and Foot will be ready to take the field there by that time, and (under God) shall be able to give a good accompt of all that part of the Kingdom, before the next Summer ended; and to use his own phrase (make it as safe living in those parts, as in any the Associated Counties of England) pressing for Money principally in this Case, for that therewith they can buy as much Victuals for 6s 8d, or 7s, as the Parliament now gives Mr Davis 16s; and Cloth for 8s the yard, which is furnished to the Officers at 18s per yard, and so in other things.
And forasmuch as all that your Petitioners have alledged against Mr Davis and his Partners, is matter of Accompt, breach of Undertaking, and fraud and practice in deceiving the State, in those things which have been committed to their trust, and all which lies in examination before the Committee of Accompts of the Kingdoms, and do consist in many particulars; that therefore you will be pleased, for that part thereof also, to require the said Committee of Accompts, speedily to examine and certifie the same to this Honourable Assembly.
And forasmuch as the said Mr Davis and his Partners, have already received above 40000lb of the Monies ordered them for their satisfaction, which is a very competent Summe, to this time for what they have delivered; that you will therefore give order to the Treasurers of Grocers-Hall, if you shall so thinke fit, that they do hereafter reserve such Monies in their hands, as shall come in upon those Ordinances, out of which they should be satisfied what is behinde, untill these matters shall be fully heard and determined, that so the Parliament may have in deposito wherewith to be recompenced for these miscarriages and losses, when they shall appear, and which will be a mean in such case, to draw the same to a speedy end.
And forasmuch as Sr John Clotworthy, Knight, one of the Members of this Honourable Assembly, hath received 24000lb or thereabouts, of the States and adventurers Money, and is much doubted that he can give no good accompt thereof; and which matter also, as your Petitioners have heard, do lye before the said Committee of Accompts examined: Therefore for the just repair and vindication of the Gentleman, and for satisfaction of your Petitioners, and of all the world, how he hath disposed of the Monies, Goods and Provisions he hath received for the Forces in Ireland.
They also humbly pray, that this Honourable House would be likewise pleased, to require the said Committee of Accompts of the Kingdoms, to certifie this Honourable Assembly the true state of his accompt, and whatsoever matters and things lyeth before them dependent thereupon, that so you may proceed to do therein also as in your grave wisdoms you shall thinke fit:
And they shall pray, &c.