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            <head>THE PROCEEDINGS AT Turners-Hall, In Relation to the Great DEBATE BETWEEN George Keith AND THE QUAKERS, As the ſame was Manag'd In a Diſpute between two Moderate Perſons of Different Perſwaſions.</head>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>WELL met Brother <hi>Will.</hi> I find a Spirit of Curioſity has led you, as well as my ſelf, to <hi>Turners-hall.</hi>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>And pray, How were Matters carried; for, like the Fooliſh Virgins, I came when the Doors were ſhut?</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>Carried doſt ſay, <hi>Montes paturiunt naſcitur ridiculus mus;</hi> There's a great Cry, but a little Wooll; half a dozen Perſons, more like bawling wrangling <hi>Billinſgate</hi> Scolds, than Divines or Scholar, threw Dirt into one anothers Faces, I think without either Sence or Reaſon.</p>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>That's Strange! The Challenger is a Man of Learn<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ing, Prudence and Conduct; beſides he had the Civil Magi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ſtrates Authority for his Proceedings there.</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>His Learning, Prudence and Conduct I queſtion not, <hi>Arbor cognoſcitur ex fructu;</hi> however, if I dare be ſo bold as to ſpeak, this Day's Diſpute has been no Ornament to it: And as for what you talk of the Magiſtrates Authority, I underſtand it to be no other but a free Leave for both Par<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>ties to meet, if they pleaſe, with perhaps half a dozen Offi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>cers to keep the King's Peace; but I think there was no great need of that, the other Party, I ſuppoſe, never deſign'd to diſturb it.</p>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>But Prithee, ſince we are very intimate Friends, and byaſſed to neither Party, let's talk freely; Have not the <hi>Quakers</hi> brought a Reproach upon their Innocent Religion, by not clea<gap reason="illegible" resp="#UOM" extent="1 letter">
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                  </gap>ing themſelves from the Abſurdities, to ſpeak no worſe <hi>G. K.</hi> has publickly charg'd them with.</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>That there are Errors in both Parties, you and I, of different Perſwaſions, ſhall eaſily aſſent to; but that the Quakers are more Blame-worthy for not appearing at <hi>G. K</hi>'s Summons, will admit ſome Debate.</p>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>Your Reaſons Pray?</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>My Reaſons I think are plain enough, for <hi>G. K.</hi> is a Revolter and prejudic'd Perſon, <hi>Livor &amp; Invidia carpere dente ſolent:</hi> Malice never ſpeaks well.</p>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>Nay, ſtay Brother, I think you are much too haſty, to make a Man-Midwife of: If <hi>G. K.</hi> have a clearer Sight and Diſcerning of Things, and is as willing to convince his Brethren of their Errors <hi>(Nemo ſine crimine vivit)</hi> as he is to Retract and Amend his own, I think he cannot be juſtly charg'd as an Impoſtor or Revolter; for have not able Di<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>vines, more or leſs, in almoſt all Ages, altered or varied ſomething in their Opinions, without being thought charge<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>able of Apoſtaſie; and have they not alſo laboured to un<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>deceive them they have miſled, without being reflected on as envious prejudic'd Perſons; but <hi>Omnes comparationes odi<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>oſae ſunt.</hi>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>I agree to the Major, and ſhould not harbour hard Thoughts of <hi>G. K.</hi> did he proſecute more Chriſtian Me<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>thods, to compoſe the Difference betwixt him and his <hi>quon<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>dam</hi>
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                  <!-- PDF PAGE 20 -->Brethren, than I ſee he yet does; for let me tell you, thoſe Divines you ſpoke of, did not make it their Buſineſs to raiſe Brawls, appoint publick Diſputes, and to ſide with Perſons of different Perſwaſions, to make the Breaches wider in their own; they very well knew how directly oppoſite ſuch Proceedings were to the Doctrine of the Apoſtles, who taught, <hi>If thy Brother ſhall treſpaſs againſt thee, go tell him his Fault between thee and him alone.</hi> &amp;c. <hi>Matt.</hi> 18.15. In the moſt obdurate and hardened Obſtinacy, the Goſpel fore<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>warns us from bringing a Scandal or Reproach upon Chriſti<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>anity, by our Diſputes and Diviſions, <hi>If any Man ſeem to be Contentious, we have no ſuch Cuſtom, neither the Church of God,</hi> ſaith St. <hi>Paul,</hi> 1 <hi>Cor.</hi> 11.15. You cannot imagine how a <hi>Roman Catholick</hi> will rejoyce to ſee the Proteſtants Claſh and run into Diviſions about External Rites: The Diviſions amongſt the Quakers, for ought I can learn, are but about Shadows and not Subſtances, and therefore I think it's an ill Bird that defiles its own Neſt, as <hi>G. K.</hi> does; for, to my Knowledge, he yet continues to profeſs himſelf one of the People called <hi>Quakers.</hi>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>Ay! ſay'ſt thou ſo. I thought he had ſolemnly pro<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>teſted againſt any thing like <hi>Quakeriſm.</hi>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>Proteſt againſt it! There's no ſuch Matter <hi>(qui neſcit diſſimulare neſcit vivere.)</hi> But I think they greatly wrong him that call him <hi>Quaker;</hi> for ought that I can learn he is not very ſubject to Quake or Tremble at any thing.</p>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>You are pleas'd to Romance upon the Matter.</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>No, I am Serious, but if I were ſo Merry diſpos'd, ſome merry Conceits might be remark'd on.</p>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>What Conceits I pray?</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>Why, truly pleaſing Fancies might be drawn as well from the Champion himſelf, as from the Martial Field; <hi>(Con<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>veniunt nomina ſaepe rebus ſuis)</hi> however out of reſpect to the Worthy Company the Hall belongs to, (whoſe Merits, Loyalty and worth are Illuſtrious) I ſhall wave making any Reflections; only let me obſerve <hi>(ſi fas ſit it a loqui)</hi> That ſo long as <hi>G. K.</hi> has any thing to do there it may very properly be call'd <hi>Turners Hall.</hi>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>What, do you make him a Turn-coat?</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>Truly, in my opinion, he ſeems little leſs in his Reli<g ref="char:EOLhyphen"/>gion, whatever he is otherwiſe; but be that how it will, <hi>ſub judice lis eſt.</hi>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>I have no Acquaintance with the man, but I have heard it very creditably reported that he is a very learned man; perhaps his Knowledge, in ſome meaſure (like the vicar of <hi>Bray</hi>'s) conſiſts in ſuiting his Temper to every Genius, Mode and Cuſtom, according as it will beſt ſerve his Intereſt: Its an old policy,
<q>Cum vivas Romae, Romano vivito more.</q>
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               <p>To Live at <hi>Rome,</hi> like <hi>Rome,</hi> is a venial crime.</p>
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               <speaker>Tho.</speaker>
               <p>Truly, Brother, you have very well help'd the Lame Dog over the Stile; I'll ſing you one ſmall Catch for more I cannot till I have wet my Throat)</p>
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                     <hi>A Turn-Coat is a cunning man,</hi>
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                     <hi>That cants to Admiration;</hi>
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                  <l>
                     <hi>Says this, or that, or any thing,</hi>
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                  <l>
                     <hi>For Peoples Approbation.</hi>
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               <speaker>Will.</speaker>
               <p>Come, come lets go and take a Hearty Glaſs; for there is more cunning in daubing than bare ſlapping Dirt on the Wall.</p>
               <p>☞ <hi>Dixi, Deo teſte, quod verum eſtimavi, nec Hominum gratiam, nec propriam utilitatem reſpiciens.</hi>
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