NOw that the Lord Jesus Christ is appearing in his Saints to d [...]scover the man of sinne with all his dece [...]ts and deceiveable workings, as is foretold in the Scriptures; Now all the powers of darkenesse are gathering together against him. Gog and Magog, whose number is as the sana of the Sea for multitude; but it is, that the Scripture of truth may be fulfiled according to the Prophets, concerning these Heathen, who know nothing of God, and Christ, and their raging imaginations against the Kingdome of the holy one. And as it was at his appearance upon earth formerly, Herod, and all Jerusalem was moved; neither could that spirit of envie that was in them ever be at rest, till they had accomplished their end, that was to take away his life. And as then the chiefe Priests, Herod and Pilat, who never loved one another, nor could agree in any other thing; yet in this they were all agreed, to take part against the Lambe. And it is the same at this day with the same seed, as plainely appears with these five, with many more, who formerly could scarce agree in any thing, [...]o not in that which they call, The worship of God, but have been at jarres and disputes among themselves, one contending for one way, another for another; yet now in this they are all one, and their cons [...]ltations against the simple o [...]e where he is manifest, inventing lyes▪ and seeking for false witnesse against them in whom [...]e is, as will appeare in this their Booke; and rendring them, and what they doe in obedience to God, under the name of Monkish holinesse, Fryars, Pharisees, or any thing that in their subtilty they conceive will make them most odious to people who know not their conversation▪ and least any who see their conve [...]sation should be convinced▪ by their w [...]lking in ob [...]dience to Ch [...]ist they are not afr [...]d to spe [...]k [...] evill of their fors [...]king the World the pride and l [...]sts of it the g [...]eat [...]ommands of Christ▪ and without which, none [...]n come unto him▪ and these they [...]ll, sinfull neg [...]ect of th [...]ir F [...]ies [...] [...]ll obs [...]rvati [...]ns, and belyes the Apost [...]e, saying th [...] [...] call [...] tho [...] ▪ the rudimen [...]s of [Page 4] the world, as though the Apostle was set to disanull the commands of Christ, who saith, He that will be my Disciple must forsake the world, and what is deare in it; yea to wife and children house and land, for none can serve God and Mammon: and [...]hat those whom they would reproach doe in obedience to Christ and his commands, they call shewes, and will worships or any thing [...]hey can devise to make them odious; but all who are guided by the spi [...]it of light, may pl [...]inely see by what spirit these men are acted, who [...]eud all their subtilty, that they may strike at the Kingdome of Christ in his owne, whereby he brings forth obedience in them to his commands, and whereby they are brought to follow him who was not of this world, nor did live in the delights of it, nor had whereon to lay his head; but were hated, and [...]elyed, and persecuted by those Priests and people, that lived in pride and fulnesse and the hollygods of this world as these who follow him are by the same generation at this day: but as then, he that was borne after the flesh, persecuted him that was borne after the spirit even so it is now▪ but it is, that the Scriptures may be fulfilled and the power of the Almighty seen in carrying on hi [...] po [...]re despised little Flocke, against all the rage of the Heathen that know him not▪ nor his power; and hereby will he get himselfe a name, and herein do [...] we rejoyee, yea and shall rejoy [...]e for ever.
FOr that you call the first Position that is, That George Fox should say, He was equall with God I answer, That he did say that George Fox was equall with God, is false; for I was in the hearing before some justices of the Peace, when he was asked Whether he spake true of George Fox as he was a creature? To which he answered, I deny George Fox, he is dust, and must to dust; but I and my Father are one; and he that is joyned to the Lord is one spirit, and so the Scripture saith▪ but they that are in the flesh cannot witnesse it. At which the Ju [...]ices were satisfied that he spake of the [...]pirit of Christ in him, and thereupon they did acquit him. It is true That Marshall did sweare at Apleby, and the other; bu [...] when he came to speak of George Fox being equall with God; one of the Justices [...]eing there upon the Bench, who was present at [...]a [...]ster w [...]en George Fox spake the words; did openly witnesse again [...] Marshalls false Oath in the hearing of the open [...]
[Page 5]To your second untruth, that Iames Nayler should say, That he was as holy, just and good as God. I answer, that holinesse, justnesse and goodnesse that I witnesse, is no other, but the holinesse, justnesse, and goodnesse of God himselfe, in the Face of Iesus Christ: for all my owne holinesse, justnesse, and goodnesse I doe deny; but that ever I did say, that I was as holy, just, and good as God, is an untruth, and was never spoken by me, nor ever did it enter into my thoughts, but is a lye raysed up by the Father of lyes the Devill, and vented by his servants to make the truth odious: And the Lord God of truth, before whom I stand▪ judge between me and you in this thing; for you are of that generation who say▪ Come, let us devise devises Ier. 18. 18. & 20. 10. against him; come, let us smite him with the Tongue; report, say they, and we will report it: but the Lord will deliver his truth out of your hands. And for William Baldwinson, whom you father this untruth on, I never had any private discourse with him, nor ever was I in company where he was, but once in Ʋnder [...]arrow, where was the house full of people that I had never seen before; and if he should affirme any such thing, they of his owne Towne shall all witnesse against him; but I stand to the witnesse of God. Nor, as it falls on my selfe, should I have mentioned it; but as it falls on the truth, and may offend some weake ones who is more to me then all outward reputation in the World.
To your third, That George Fox did affirme, that he was the Iudre of the World; And that one wrote from Carlile, that called George Fox, the Sonne of God. I answer, you here shew your selves to be ignorant of Christ spiritually borne up in you, who is the Iudge of the world in whom he is, which the Saints did witnesse, as it is p [...]aine in the Scriptures, Know you not that 1 Cor. 6. 2. 3. Saints shall Iudge the World? Yea, Angels and the spirituall man judgeth all things, yet he himselfe is judged of no man. Now you that have not this infallible spirit to judge with, have nothing to doe to judge of the things of God, but are carnall and naturall, and judge with evill thoughts, and call evill good, and good evill; for the naturall man receives not the things of the spirit of God, and what you know naturally as bruite beasts, therein you corrupt your selves; and you that are offended [Page 6] that one shall witnesse the Sonne of God, shew that you are ignorant of the New Birth, which whosoever witnesses is the Sonne of God: yea, you are ignorant of the Scriptures, which saith, Behold with what manner of love the Father loved us, that 1 Iohn 3. 1. 2. we should be called the Sons of God; and we are Sons already, and it doth not yet appeare what we shall be. Now blush for shame that you should be Ministers of the letter, and are ignoant of it, and would slander them that owne it.
Now for your confused confutation of the lyes you have raysed against us, I shall say nothing to them.
For that you call your second Position, That there is no distinction of Persons in the God head This you say George Fox layes downe in Saul [...] errand to Damascus, pag. 12. Now all may take notice if these men regard what they speake or write, so that they can but make th [...] truth odious to others, when they are not ashamed to Print so plaine an untruth, that is so evident, that all that ever read that page in Sauls errand, may witnesse against them that the words they have set downe are not there▪ but they have gathered them up in their inventions, wherewith they imagine lyes against the innocent; and to cast upon the truth; neither have they any proofe for what they here accuse of▪
For your third Position▪ that [...]h [...] soule is a part of the Divine Esse [...]ce. And this you [...] you had from Collonell Benson and Captain Ward▪ W [...] [...]he sou [...]e is you know not who live in the fall, and are v [...]ne contenders and p [...]eaders for sin, which keep [...] the soul [...] at a di [...]ance from God▪ and while you are servants of sinne, your soules are in death; but the first man Adam▪ was a living soule; the second a quickning spirit▪ and he that is joyned to the Lord is one [...]pirit▪ And this we witnesse, and all witnesse it who are come up o [...]t of the fall: but you who live in disobedience, acting those things which Christ forbad, knowes nothing of the living soule; for you watch not for the good [...] soules, for you seek for your gaine from your Quarter and [...]kes peoples money for that which is not Bread, and all who fol [...] are unsatisfied: but all you who hearken diligently to the voyce of the Lord, their soules doe live, and follow the Lord, and are united to him, and he that is not, is against him.
[Page 7]For your fourth Position, That Christ is in every man, and in the reprobate he is held under corruption; and this you say, one of you received from Iames Nayler in conference with him, wherein he extended the in-dwelling of Christ to Indians that never heard the Gospel. I answer When will you cease to adde your lyes to slander withall? That which I held forth was that Christ was the light of the world, and lighteneth every one that commeth into the world; which William Col [...] denyed: I bad him put out one amongst all that great multitude that durst deny it. He said, those were Christians, and had heard the Gospel, but Indians had not that light. I told him, he went far for a proofe, but if an Indian were there▪ he would witnesse against him. But O thou full of all subtilty. Did I say, th [...]t Christ in the reprobates is held under corruption? let all that was there be witnesse against thee. Now that Christ enlightens every one that comes into the world, is plaine Scripture; and if Christ be not in the most vile in the world, there to see the heart, thoughts, and intents, how shall he judge every one according to their thoughts that come not forth into actions, as well as according to what they doe? must he then proceed as carnall Iudges doe, either by proofe or confession, and no further? and must not he judge Indians, as well as others? and who shall tell him what is in their hearts and thoughts? Here you shew your selves ignorant of that Christ who is spirituall, and judgeth not after the outward appearance, but is all, and in all; and are of the judgment of some others of you, who say, that Christ is in Heaven with a carnall body; but here is your folly manifest to all the Children of light.
And whereas you accuse Iohn Audland for writing to Edward Br [...]ggs, and telling him, That he who once had been enlightned, and departed out of it, did crucifie Iesus Christ within him. I answer, Reade Hebrews 6. 4▪ 6. and see if the Apostle speake not the same words, saying That such crucifie the Lord of life afresh, and put him to open shame. And that it is such a haynous thing to you (who knowes not Christ in you) for any to say, that Christ is in them: Was it not Iesus of Naz [...]reth that Paul persecuted, when he hayled the Saints to Prison? Acts 9. 4. 5. and was not Christ▪ in the Saints, the hope of [Page 8] glory, and all this after his Assention? But you who cannot witnesse his second appearing without sin unto salvation, are ignorant of this, and therefore persecute him where he is.
For your fifth Position, That Christ in the flesh, with all he did and suffered therein, was but a figure, and nothing but an example; and this you say is expressely found in their Booke called Sauls Errand to Damascus, pag. 8. 3. I answer, we doe owne and confesse, that Iesus Christ in the flesh is a figure or example to us to follow, till we come up to his fulnesse and measure, as the Saints in Scripture doe witnesse. But O deceitfull spirits,Ioh. 13. 15. is this to say, that all that Christ did and suffered in the flesh, was but a figure, and nothing but an example; or is the words1 Cor. 11. 1. expressely sound in Sauls Errand, as you say they are, let that Booke be witnesse against you, and your lying slanders herein to all that reade it: And you say▪ that this was written in a Letter which Nayler wrote to one in Lancaster, viz. That he that expects to be saved by him that dyed at Ierusalem should be deceived; which is a most filthy untruth: and I challenge all the generation of slanderers to produce any such Letter under my hand, or any such thing from my mouth; for I owne no other Christ, but that which suffered at Ierusalem▪ and by him I am saved from my sins; but had I not knowne him in me, my Redeemer and Hope of glory, I had not known him at Ierusalem; nor should I have had any more benefit by him, then covetous proud lyars, slanderers, envyers, and such like, who shall not enter into the Kingdome of Heaven though they talke of what he did at Ierusalem; and yet live in their sinnes and filthinesse. And all that have eyes may see how you invent your lyes, andIoh. 13. 15. cast them upon us; and then, in that you call your con [...]utations, adde your owne imaginations to them, to make us odious to all; As because we say, that Christ is our example, therefore the Virgin Mary must be in us and Ioseph in us, and Iohn Baptist, [...]nd the eleven Apostles, Iudas▪ Herod▪ and Pilat in us, and much such like stuffe which I shall not now mention, but leave it to any, where there is an honest principle of light to judge, by what spirit these men are acted▪ and how groundlesse these slanders are they cast upon us.
For your sixth Position, that men are not justified by the righteousnesse [Page 9] of Christ which he in his owne Person did fulfill without us. I answer, what righteousnesse Christ hath performed without me, was not my justification, neither was I saved by it, but was still in my sins, and a servant to sin, untill Christ appeared in me, who is my life, and by faith in him, gave me victory over my sins, and led captivitie captive in me, and brought forth judgement into victory in me and appeared in me my righteousnesse, sanctification, justification, and redemption, and so in me the hope of glory; till which time, all my Prayers, Teares and Profession, could not produce an everlasting peace, but still was overpowred by the powers of sin, though I could talke of Faith and Redemption, yet I had not the witnesse within my selfe, which witnesse is Christ Jesus. And you that talke of a Faith, and what Christ did at Jerusalem, and cannot witnesse the same Christ in you, to Redeeme you, but are still in your sins, led [...]p [...] by your lusts into pride, and covetousnesse, envy, lyi [...]g, b [...]ckbiting, and such like filthinesse: Why hath not drunkards, swearers▪ and such like, as are captivated by those sins, as muc [...] r [...]ght to what Christ suffered at Jerusalem, as you, seeing they wi [...]l [...]ay, they beleeve in him, that he dyed for them, as wel [...] as you though both live in your sins, and so count the Bl [...]od of Christ an unholy thing?
Fo [...] your seventh Position, that men are justified by that righteousnesse which Christ within us enables us to performe, or (which is in effect, and some of them have expressed, by inherent righteousnesse) and you say it is affirmed by Iames Nayler in a Book, wherein it is said, this light within you will let you see your sins, bring to repentance and tendernesse of heart, bring you to feare God▪ and so leade up to justification and peace. I answer, How the holding for [...]h that the light of Christ leades up to theseIohn 8. 12. things (which the Scriptures doe witnesse) doth hold forth an inherent righteousnesse▪ let any wise man judge; but by wresting truth to slander▪ you would deceive the simple. And you say, Nayler saith, We are not reconciled to God, till we be perfectly holy, and able to stand so in our owne power▪ pag. 25. I answer, that no unperfect thing can be reconciled to God▪ is plain in Scripture: but that I said or writ. That man must be able to stand in his owne power, is an horrid lye, as the Boo [...]e shall [Page 10] witnesse against you, wherein is Printed quite contrary; and least any should not have the Booke, and so beleeve this false slander, I shall set downe the words as they are Printed pag. 25. the words of the Quaere are these, Whether God created man and woman perfect, without sinne, and able in his own power to have stood, if they had not forsaken his power, and consented to the wisedome of the Serpent▪ yea, or no? Now what truth is in these men, who notwithstanding the word be twice over repeated, to stand in Gods power; yet they are not ashamed to wrest it to their own power: but what is in their hearts, may appeare to all men by this, as in the rest of the untruths in their Booke, which are not a few. And to your Position of being justified by any of our own workings, we deny; for it is he that worketh in us to will and to doe of his good pleasure; and herein we deny selfe works, and selfe will, and stand in the will and workings of another, blessed for ever.
For your eight Position, That God and Man cannot be wholly reconciled, till he be brought into the state of the first Adam, and able in his own power to stand perfect. And for proofe of this, you refer the Reader to a Booke of Naylers, pag. 26. And you say, that their owne eyes may satisfie them there. I answer, That the Reader may be satisfied in the truth of what you say, I shall set downe the plaine words in pag. 26. and the words of the Quaere are these, Whether God and Man be wholly reconciled, till Man be brought into that estate againe, yea, or no? Now that God and Man is not reconciled till he be redeemed, is plaine in Scripture; but that here is any thing in these words spoken by me, of Man being able in his owne power to stand, let the Reader judge, who may plainly see, how you adde to my words, your owne inventions to slander withall, which are neither spoken, not thought by me; for I spoke of Adam being able to have stood in Gods power, if he had not forsaken his power, and consented to the wisedome of the Serpent, which you wrest, to his owne power; but wickednesse shall be on the head of the wicked. And you that say, That Adam in the state of innocency was under the covenant of works, make it appear to all that know Adams state, that you never knew it; for the Law, wherein is the covenant of works, was added after, because of [Page 11] the transgression, but being ignorant of the spirit by which these things are known, you imagine of them in your carnall wisedome, and as your Books leade you; but Adams innocent estate you knew not.
For your ninth Position, that no man that commits sinne, or that is not perfectly holy, can ever enter into the Kingdome of Heaven, unlesse there be a Purgatory. And you say, James Nayler in his Booke before quoted, pag. 26. puts it by way of quaerie. I answer; in pag. 26. there is not a word to that purpose as you have set downe; but seeing you are mistaken in this, as in many more things, I shall help your mistake, for the better informing of the Reader: in pag. 25. (which you intend) the words of the quaere are these, Whether any unperfect and uncleane one that lives in sin, shall enter into the Kingdome of Heaven, yea▪ or zo? And if not, how shall one dying in sinne? and where shall he be made perfect and cleane, seeing the tree must lye [...]s it falls? and whether you own a Purgatory, yea, or no? Now I shall appear to any one that is guided by a Principle of truth, whether you have not wrested my words quite to another sence? as though I said, no man that hath sinned, can ever enter into the Kingdome; and as though I owned a Purgatory: but you are so used to wrest the Scriptures (being unlearned) and so used to turne the truth into a lye by your serpents wisedome, that you cannot cease from it; and were it not, that what is Printed that cannot be altered, did witnesse against you, it would not be beleeved that such as you professe your selves to be, should so wholly give your selves to serve the Father of lyes: but blessed be God, who is laying open your deceipt, whereby you have destroyed soules, and in the pit you have digged▪ you shall be taken, but the simple shall escape your snares. You say, The blood of Christ is your Purgatory, which cleanseth the soule from all sins, yet as to personall actings very guilty; and to prove it, you quote 1 John 1. 7. but doth that Text say, any are cleansed from sin, while they personally act sin? or the quite contrary; who saith, If we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another; and the blood of Jesus Christ his Sonne, cleanseth us from all sinne. Now, he that walks in the light doth not commit sin, for sin is darkenesse; but you that talke of being cleansed by the [Page 12] blood of Christ, and yet live in sin▪ counts the blood of Christ an unholy thing; but you must pleade for your Fathers Kingdome, and you are faithfull to him, as appears in all this your Booke.
For your tenth Position, No reall Saint but he that is perfect, and perfectly holy in this life, and doth not sin. And you say, it is Naylers designe in his Booke to prove this, pag. 21. 22. I answer, It seems there can be no greater offence with you, then1 Iohn 3. 8. to cry downe sin, and to grow up to perfection, though it is the very end for which Christ is manifest, viz. To destroy theCol. 1. 28. works of the Devill, and to present the Saints perfect to the Father, as is plaine in Scripture. And here you shew what Kingdome you are of, who pleade so much against the end of Christs comming. And in your 11. page, you quote Gal. 3. 10. and saith, there the Apostle clearely holds forth an universall impossibility to fulfill the righteousnesse of the Law, when Christ saith, Not one jot shall fall till all be fulfilled. And the same Apostle saith, Rom. 8. 3. 4. That God sent his owne Sonne, that the righteousnesse of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who walke not after the flesh, but after the spirit: And here you bely the Apostle, and deny the end of Christs comming, and pleade for continuing in sin and imperfection, as is plaine in this you call your confutation, wherein you wrest and twine the Scriptures, to pleade for the Devills Kingdome, and putting cleansing from sin and perfection afar off▪ till after death in another world, and all to make the commands of God, and endeavours of the Saints, and comming of Christ, of no effect here, but all must serve sin here: and you set it downe as a strange thing, that Richard Farnesworth should say, That no uncleane thing can enter into the Kingdome of Heaven, though it be plaine Scripture; but you must appeare, for now God is seperating the pretious from the vile, the day is come.
For your eleventh Position, that every man in the world hath a light within him sufficient to guide him to salvation, without the helpe of any outward light or discovery. I answer, That Iesus Christ is the onely light, and there is none besides him to guide to salvation, and that he is the light of the whole world, and was given of the Father for that end, is plaine in the whole [Page 13] Scriptures: The Prophets prophesied of him, That he should be given for a light, even to the Gentiles. Iohn Baptist bearesIsay 42 6. witnesse, That he was not that light, but came to beare witnesse to it; and that was the true light that lightneth every one▪ that commeth into the world. Iohn 1▪ 8. 9. Christ saith of himselfe, I am the light of the world he that follows me shall not walke in darkenesse, but shall have the light of life. Iohn 8. 12. Again, This is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men love darkenesse rather then light, because their deeds are evill. Iohn 3. 19. Now this light shines in darkenesse, butIohn 1. 4. 5. the darkenesse comprehends it not; and here are you, who calls this light a naturall light, and denyes the words of Christ and the Prophets, and would make them lyars like you, and all the world shall witnesse against you▪ that they have a light that lets them see when they sinne, which if they did minde and obey, woule leade out of sin to Christ; and all who have obeyed it, shall witnesse it, and this light of Christ is perfect in its measure as it ariseth, and needs no outward light or discovery: And this is the cause why this light is so hated of the Devill, and them that love their sins, because the Devill can have no hold in any corner of the heart, but this will discover him; and no sinne can be committed, but it checks for it, till the candlesticke be removed by often sinning against it, for the light of the wicked shall be put out; and this is that light which testifies of Jesus, and the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of Prophesie, and it is that more sure word of prophesie and light that shines in a darke place, and leads to the day-star spoken of in 2 Peter 1. 19. to which he exhorts all to take heed, though ye children of darkenesse cannot comprehend it, and therefore deny it, and tells people that we meane of the principles left in man since the fall, and that we deny the Fountaine of living waters, and goe not to Iesus for light; and so by giving your false meanings upon our writings, as you doe upon the Scriptures, you cast lyes upon the truth, and calls this light of Christ, a naturall light; and here you deny the Fountaine of light, and would put it out, that you might live in your deeds of darkenesse undiscovered, as doth appear by all your twyning and cunning wynding and lying in that which you call confutation; but who are [Page 14] guided by the true light, may easily judge of your confused stuffe, which I forbeare, as not worth naming.
For your twelfth Position, that there is no need of any outward teaching by reading or hearing the Scriptures opened and applyed. IJ [...]r. 31. 31. 32 33. 34. answer, The promise of the new covenant is, That all the children of the Lord, shall be taught of the Lord; and they shallHeb. 8. 10. 11. not need that any teach his neighbour, saying, Know the Lord, for all shall know him by his own teaching, from the greatest to the least of them: And for this end is Christ the light of the world, the Shepheard and Bishop of soules: and when he came, he denyed all the hireling teachers, and said, they have nought to doe with the sheep, for his sheep heare his voyce, and will not follow the voyce of a stranger; and he who knowes this teacher▪ knowes him to be a sufficient teacher alone, For who teache [...] like him who gives to every one seasonable food? That Iohn Audland said No need of outward teaching, is false; the word was, He needed no man to teach him, the Lord was his teacher: But you who know not this teacher, apply the Scriptures to all hand over head, and give the promises that is to the seed of God, which seed is but one, and is pure, and these promises you give to them who are in the first birth still in their sins and so doubt with untempered morter, and sowes pillowes under every armehole, so that none turnes from their sins, for you preach them up all beleevers, except some that refuse to give you hire, and them you prepare war against. And whereas you alledge, the teaching of the Apostles; it is true, they in whom Christ was risen, the light, and life, and teacher, they went out and Preached the Resurrection to others, to gather all to this Teacher, and told them, that Christ was their light and life, and exhorted them to waite for his appearance in them, and that as he appeared, their life should appeare with him; and when they had directed them where to waite for teaching, and gathered them out of the teachings of the hirelings, they left them, and went on to call more out of the world to this teacher, and appointed the strong who were come to the teachings of Christ, to take the oversight of the weake, least there should be a turning through the deceipt of the false teachers and hirelings, before they came to see the teachings of Christ, and his appearing; and such was not [Page 15] to keep a talking to them for filthy lucre, but to watch over them of a ready minde; neither did they take a verse of another mans condition, and say to them, Heare the Word of the Lord, when the Lord had not spoken it to them, but what was moved to be written to them by the holy Ghost, was read to them without adding or diminishing; and the same spirit hath the same workings now, where it is in its measure, which brings all things to our remembrance according to his mighty working in us. And whereas you say that George Fox pretended to have all from within; yet his jugling was discovered, a Concordance being sent to him to help his memory. I answer. What the spirit did teach the Saints, it doth teach them the same now within; but the Scripture was not put in Chapter and Verse by the spirit, but the hireling Priests have done it to trade withall; and though for his owne teachings within he need no outward help; yet having to doe with quoting Verses, which was not by the spirit, but in the invention, he might use a Concordance, not at all to adde to himselfe, but to quote Scriptures to convince others. And Scripture was used by Christ and his Apostles, to convince gaine-sayers, though they needed not use them in regard of themselves, but had the same spirit that gave them forth, and was taught by it, and not by the letter. And whereas you tell of your Ministry having undenyable seales of your ministration in the witnes of Christ therto, begetting many soules to conversion. I answer, The witnesse of Christ is against you and your Ministry, who came to set free from sin; but you say, men must commit sin while they live, and be set free when they are dead. Christ saith, He that commits sinne is the servant of sinne, and such are you and your converts.
For your thirteenth Position, That the Scriptures are not the Word of God, but a Declaration of the conditions of them that spoke them forth. I answer, The Scripture saith, Christ is the word by whom all things were made was before all time, which Word became flesh and dwelt in the Saints. Now if the Scriptures be the Word which had their beginning since all were made, and did not become flesh, then there is two Words of God. Now prove that in Scripture, or that the Letter is called the Word in plaine words, and the Apostle calls what he wro [...]e [Page 16] a Declaration. 1 Iohn 1. 1. 2. 3. The things that we have heard and seen, declare we unto you. Now who denyes the Scriptures, whether we that speake the plaine words as they are, or you that deny them, and would have us to beleeve your meanings and wrestings of them, when you have no plain Scripture for what you say? And whereas you say, it cannot be understood to be the Word Christ that came to the Prophets, Samuel, Jeremy, &c. where it seems your understanding is not that with the Apostle, who saith, it was the spirit of Christ that was in them, 1 Pet. 1 11. but all your wrestings will not cover your folly. And you say, what Christ and his Apostles Preached, Spoke or Wrote, was not Christ, the Father, or Spirit; when as the Scripture saith, That holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy Ghost, 2 Pet. 1. 21. And you say, to say Christ is the Word, is to destroy the Foundation of Faith, to make the Scriptures lose their authority; and diverse such like false conclusions. I answer▪ to build all upon him in whom all is fulfilled, is to establish Faith and Scripture, and all where it must stand▪ as on the Foundation; for Christ is the authority of all Scriptures, and not the letter, and in him they are all profitable, and not else.
For your fourteenth Position, that the spirits are not to be tryed by the Scripture. I answer, The infallible spirit▪ which is the Originall of all Scriptures is the try [...]ll of all spirits, and that spirituall man judgeth all things, and by that spirit, the saints was to judge of all spirits▪ and gave those up to Sathan that was for that end▪ as is p [...]aine, 1 Corinth 5. 4▪ And by this spirit was the spirits tryed before the letter w [...]s; and all that are guided by the spirit of God, are the sons of God, and are one, and in one minde, and have one rule, and one Faith,; but you who have no guide but the Letter, How many minds, how many formes, how many gods doe you worship? and all pretend Scripture, one wresting it one way; another, another way: But what true tryall of spirits can you have here? For you five, though one spirit act you al [...] against the truth; yet you have your severall wayes, formes, worships and spirits, and all pretend Scriptures: but who hath that true spirit of judgement, is able to try you all▪ and sees you all without: and whereas you quote that place, To the Law and to the [Page 17] testimony; it is true, The Law of the new covenant is written in the heart by God; and the Testimony of Jesus, is the spirit of prophesie; and if any be not guided by, and speake according to these, it is because they have not the light in them, but without them; and here you are whose light is without you, and therefore it is that you speake contrary to them who speake from the true light in them, even the witnesse in themselves. Now all your false conclusions, (as, that to be guided by the spirit, is to draw the soule from the judgement of God) and you citing Iohn Gilpin against the truth; it is no more then if the chiefe Priests should have cited Iudas to have confuted Christ, and the rest of the eleven Apostles, which truth they owned and suffered for, though he denyed it, and consulted with the Priests to betray it▪ as Iohn Gilpin hath done now, who shall receive his reward, and you Priests also.
For your fifteenth Position, That there ought to be no sense, meaning, or exposition given, or studying of the Scriptures. I answer, What hath been said before, may suffice as to this, onely the spirit gave out the Scriptures, either perfect, or not perfect: If perfect, then let them alone as they are, and doe not darken them by your invented wisedome, that they may be read and fulfilled in the Saints; for that is the end for which they were given forth, Not to trade with for Tythes and Money; and here the practice of all the Saints shall witnesse against you, for they were spoken by the holy men of God, as they were moved by the holy Ghost; and they were written to such as were come out of the world, pride, envie, and covetousnesse. Now you that live in those sins and filthy lusts, and are of the world, have nothing in them but your judgements that is to be accomplished upon you from the wrath of the Almighty: and you that wrest them, to pleade for sin, are raized out of them, for they were given to warue off sin: and you that have not that infallible spirit that gave them forth, what will you judge, and open, and expound them with, for the serpents▪ Wisedome is shut out of them, and can doe nought, but twine and wrest them to their owne destruction and keeping poore soules that beleeve you, in sin▪ and the fall, who cannot witnesse their Redemption, and freedome from sin, but are fed with words, and [Page 18] profession without life and power, or hopes ever to have power while they live. And though you alledge diverse which you say expounded, yet not one of them will warrant your way of trading, nor your covetous practises.
For your sixteenth Position, They cry downe Baptisme with Water, and the Lords Supper, as being but types and shadows, ceasing upon the appearance of Christ within them. I answer, You your selves doe not say that they are the spirituall substance; but as for your Baptizing Infants, it is a meere invention, and hath no ground in Scripture, and we deny it: but if any one out of a tender conscience doe observe it, as seeking to fulfill any command, as he conceives, I shall not judge him that is weake; onely, if such a one rest there, and come not to the Baptisme of Christ, which is with fire and the spirit, Water-Baptisme will not profit him: and he that once rastes of the substance, will not goe backe to the shadow. And Paul knew what he spoke, when he thanked God that he had Baptized no more, for Christ (saith he) sent me not to Baptize, but to Preach. And for the outward signes of the Supper, Doe this in remembrance of me till I come; but when he was come, then the bread which they did breake was the body of Christ, they being many were one bread, which whoever comes to witnesse in spirit, will both see and say, That your Bread and Wine is carnall, and not spirituall: and your way of giving it without ground and life who are not one bread, nor of one heart and soule, as all are who breake this Bread of life: but they who rest in the types▪ come short of the substance, as is plain in your divisions and contentions. Circumcision was a true command of God; but who once witnessed the circumcision within of the heart, denyed that without; and then they who was ignorant of that was within, stood in the Figure, and persecuted him who had the substance: and so it is now.
For your seventeenth Position, That there is no mediate call to the Ministry. I answer, Where in Scripture will you prove a call to the Ministry by Man, Magistrates, Townes, or Parishes, or from one people to another, there to rest and live in pride and idlenesse, and the people to maintaine you by their labours, and you to live idle, and to be a Master over them? but those [Page 19] who were sent to Preach the Gospel, denyes that they were made Ministers by the will of man, and had no certaine dwelling place, but went up and downe in the world Preaching the Word, and disputing in the Synagogues with them that held up the Idol worship, though they suffered for it where ever they came. And when they had gathered Churches out of the world, they did not bid them hyre a man to talke to them for money; but ordayned them Elders of themselves, which were to take care of the weake freely, and not to runne from place to place for money, as you Priests doe; and these were ordayned not by man, but by such as did it by the direction of the spirit of God; for they who ordayned them had the gift of the spirit, which they received of them; and this ordination was not by man, nor by the Churches, but by the power of God, and his spirit, in whom it was, and they had the gist of the holy Ghost from their hands. Now what is this to your Parsonage, or Parish callings; for shame take not this for a shelter for your covetous practice, and being set in great Livings by club Law, or the power of the Magistrate; for this practice of the Saints condemnes, you and your callings, and whole practice. Nor is here any ground at all for your bargaining with the people, or any set maintenance, or to sue your hearers at Law for carnall things, or take their goods by violence; for shame, take not the Scriptures which witnesse against your oppression, and pride, and covetousnesse, nor the practice of the holy men of God, to prove your filthy practice, who hated the least appearance of such things, and could not endure that covetousnesse should be so much as named amongst them: For shame cease to pervert the truth by your corrupt minds, and turning it into a lye, for your selfe ends▪ Repent▪ the plagues of God are upon such practice, and cease to deceive soules for gaine, the Lord is arisen to lay you open, and is comming with ten thousand of his Saints to be avenged of you. Therefore take heed betime, and cease your envie against the truth▪
And now to those things you call our Principles.
TO that you call the first Principle, viz. Not to salute any▪ I answer, You falsely accuse us in this as in other things, for the salutations of the Saints we owne and practice; It is your Heathenish customes you use by the way in taking the holy name of God into your mouthes in vaine, which God hath forbidden: and this we deny, and witnesse against, that all might feare to pollute the dreadfull and glorious name of God. And now, let all that feare the name of God judge by what spirit you are guided who are not ashamed to Preach and Print against us for this▪ Nay, you are not ashamed to wrest the words of Christ, to contradict his owne commands, and the commands of God; as in Mat. 5. 47. where he is exhorted to love, without respect of persons, saying, If you love them that love you, that is no more but as the Publicans, and the Hea [...]hen: and likewise in the salutation▪ If ye salute your brethren onely, that is, as the Publican and Heathen practice: but here is no expresse command for salutation by the way, but a warning of the partiality of the Heathenish practise, as it is now practised with you, who will salute those you love, and are rich in the world and to them you will bow and doe worship; but for the poore, and such as you hate, these you passe by; and herein you shew your selves to be in the same nature with the Heathen, whose partiality Christ reproves and whose practises we deny. And whereas you alledge those whom Christ sent forth, who were to salute the house into which they entered; What is this to your high▪way salutation? for they were to enquire what house was worthy, before they entered, or saluted; and they that had the Sonne of peace in them, was to speake peace to that house; but if the Sonne of Peace was not there, their peace was to returne to them againe: Now neither this, nor the Apostles commanding the Saints to salute one another, doth [Page 21] warrant your Heathenish high-way customes, and taking the name of God in vain. And whereas you say, If we observe the command of not saluting by the way, then we should also forbeare to weare shooes. I answer, What we doe, is not from the command that was to others▪ nor herein doe we walke by Tradition, but from command of the same power, by which we are sent forth; and if we were commanded to forbeare wearing shooes, as well as we are commanded to deny your Heathenish customes and covetous practises, in not taking care for food and rayment, we should be made willing to obey, as some have done who have been commanded to goe bare-foot, and some who have been commanded to goe naked (which you who know no particular commands from God, but walke by tradition in your owne wills, doing what you like, and leaving what you will undone) doe scorne and reproach as evill; and whereas you say, that Christ commanded the contrary to his twelve Disciples, it is false; because he commanded to salute the house that was worthy, this was not to command them to salute by the way, neither doth the practice of the Saints in saluting one another, contradict this command of Christ; neither are the Saints to conforme to the practice or fashion of any Country, but to the commands of Christ which leads out of all the customes in the world. And whereas you say, There being a cleare command to salute all; we deny it, it is false; for where Christ saith, If ye salute as the Heathens doe▪ it is no command to salute all, but a warning to them of their partiality.
To that you call our second Principle, viz. Not giving any outward t [...]ken of reverence to Magistrates, Parents, Masters, or any other. I answer, Herein you falsely accuse us, as because we deny to bow downe and worship any creature, which God hath forbidden; Is this to deny any token of reverence? for obedience to their just commands is their greatest reverence; and this we owne and practice for conscience sake; both to Magistrates, Parents, and Masters; and herein we deny your slander as false: And whereas you goe about to prove it by the practice of others, in their bowing downe to the creature, and thereby to breake the commands of God, which saith, Ye shall not bow down [...] and worship. And whereas you alledge Josephs Brethren [Page 22] bowing downe to him, Abraham, Abigail, David, and the like, their practice, is no rule for us to breake the command of God, though they were good men▪ no more, then the practice of Ioseph, which swore by the life of Pbaraoh, is a warrant to us to sweare, though he was a good man; or the practice of David in seiguing himselfe mad, before Akish the King of the Philistines, should be made a warrant for us to fayne our selves mad, to avoyd your persecution: Nor Iacob bowing before Esau; for the Scripture saith. A righteous man falling downe before the wicked, is as a troubled Fountaine, and a corrupt spring. Pro. 25. 26.
And whereas you charge us, that we say,Is it not strange these Priests in the 34 pag. of their Booke shall say, What is the power without the persons? Government without Governors but a meer fancy? and revile honouring the power, without respecting the Persons. When in this Nation all obey and act by a Power in the name of the Keepers of the Liberties of England, &c. when there is no such Persons. Is the Government of this Nation but a fancy? And is it not high treason to subver [...] them.? A. P. We honour the Power, and not the Persons. I answer, God is no respecter of Persons, and you that would take the honour from the power which is of God, and would give it to mens persons, would rob God of his honour, and are enemies to the Faith of Christ, who respects no ma [...] person, but saith▪ How can you beleeve that seek honour one of another; and would charge this to let in treason or disobedience to Authority. I answer, Where did ever any who did reverence the power which was of God, doe any violence to the Person of any, into whose hands God had committed it, though they have been sent by the Lord faithfully, to declare against the unjust practises of such Governors, who have used their power contrary to the end for which God committed it into their hands; but this you cast upon us to make us odions to the powers [...]f the earth, that they may take part with you in persecuting of us; but we stand in the power of the Lord, who will cleare our innocency, and distinguish betweene them who honour and obey his power in the truth, and them that have mens persons in admiration because of advantage, for selfe ends; for such admire the persons of men no longer then then serve for their own ends, as it is apparant at this day.
To that you call the third Principle, viz. That no Man must [Page 23] have the title of Master. I answer, Here, as in other things, you would bring the practice of men in the old Testament, to disanull the expresse commands of Christ in the New, and so would set the Old Covenant against the New, and would bring Scriptures against Christ; and here you shew your selves to be of the Serpents brood, who have alwayes wrested the words of God against himselfe, and to make voyd his commands; and let all who feare the Lord judge, if you be worthy to be called the Ministers of Christ, who are not afraid to contend against his express [...] commands, because it strikes at your pride▪ and would make people beleeve, that pride in you is not as much hated by Christ, as it was in the Pharisees, when you are sound in the same generation, in the same pride, and affecting to your selves the same Titles, which they that are guided by the same spirit of Christ, see, and witnesse against in whomsoever it is now, as was then.
Now for the fourth perticular, which you call▪ Charges against your selves and are so against all that are found in them▪ viz. First, That they love the high places of the Synagogues. 2. That they weare long Robes. 3. That they stand Praying in the Synagogues. 4 That they Preach for hire, To which I may ad [...] a great sort more, which are the markes which Christ and his Apostles did give, whereby to know the false Teachers then, and cryed woe against them, warning all to take h [...]ed of them, in which practises, whosoever are found now, are witnessed against by the same spirit, as was then; as to lay heavy barthens upon the people; to say, and not to doe; to be proud, and covetous, heady, high-minded, despisers of them that are good▪ false accusars, speaking evill of the things they know not having a Forme of godlinesse, but denying the power thereof; having hearts exercised with covetous practises that cannot cease from sinne, that through covetousnesse, make merchandize of the people, who run greedily after the wayes of Bal [...]am, who loved the wages of unrighteousnesse; and in the way of Cain, in envy; who pretend to be sheep, but raven and devoure like Wolves. Now, saith Christ and his Apostles▪ such shall come, but by their fruits yee shall know them; and they that then were gu [...]ded by the eternall spirit of God, did know them, judge of them, and [Page 24] warne of them by these fruits; and though you now, in who [...] these fruits are found, would cast them upon your fore-fathers, the Scribes and Pharisees, thereby keeping people looking at that sin in them, but hiding and covering it in your selves; yet they that are guided by the same eternall spirit now, see you to be in the same generation, to bring forth the same fruits, and doe judge you, and warne of you now, as they did then; and it is no new thing for the deceipt, to cry out of their fore-fathers for the same sins, wherein they are found themselves, as the Scribes and Pharisees builded the Sepulchres of the Prophets, and cryed out of their Fathers for Killing them, but being blinde, could not see themselves worse then their fore-fathers, who were consulting to slay the Heire; so yee, make a trade of crying out of the pride of the Pharisees, and their being called Masters, and their loving greeting in the Markets, and the highest places, and being hirelings, and persecuting Christ and the Saints, raysing lyes, and seeking false witnesse against him, stirring up the Rulers, and the rude people, thereby to take away his life, because he witnessed against their ungodly practises; and thus you make a trade of crying out against them b [...]t are found in the very same things by those who are guided by the same spirit; yet being blinde, you will not owne them in your selves; but Christ hath left no other rule without as to know such, but by their fruits. Therefore let all who professe the name of Christ, so judge, that where these fruits are found, not to cast them upon others▪ in the generations past, but to avoyd them now. And, saith the Apostle▪ from such tur [...]e away: And it is in vaine for you by your sub [...]ilty to wrest and twine the Scriptures to cleare your selves of these things, when ye are found in them by the Lord, and all who are▪ guided by his spirit; and in pleading for your hire, ye say, you freely cast your selves upon the Gospelmaintenance; herein we witnesse against you, Where in the Goshel had ever any a set maintenance, Tythe, or augmentation, or by any agreement from the people, or by any power of the Magistracy, or by any suites at the Law, or any other challange, but freely? but ye that goe upon any of these accompts, or any other accompt, but freely, doe not cast your selves upon the Gospel▪ maintenance; neither doe all these Scriptures you [Page 25] alledge, or the practice of the Apostles, make any thing to warrant your way of maintenance, but doe witnesse against you; as is plaine to whomsoever doth looke with a single eye into the Apostles practises, and into yours: And whereas yee say, We charge you with stealing the Word from your neighbours; and this you would evade by Christ and the Apostles quoting the Scriptures, which we doe not deny: But which of all the true Prophets, Christ, or his Apostles, did take the words that were spoken to another, and adde to them their owne inventions and braine study, and come amongst people, and say, Heare the Word of the Lord, when the Lord had not spoken to them? but the salse Prophets did so; and, saith the Lord, I am against them that steale my Word from their Neighbours, and say, The Lord saith, when I have not spoken to them; and ye doing the same things, are discovered by the same spirit. And whereas yee pleade against our using the Scripture phrase, in thouing eve [...]y particular we speake to, and pleading against us the customes of the Nation, here yee shew your selves to be guided by a contrary spirit to Christ, who leades his out of all the customes of the world, and the Nations, and thereby they are knowne not to be of the world; and yee who are Ministers of the Letter, and dispute against the language of it, which none of Gods ever denyed or disputed against; out of your enmity to the truth, yee pleade against what yee professe, and are ministers of, and all this ye doe to maintain the confused language, which all they who are redeemed out of the fall, are restored to a pure Language. Now as touching your consideration of our practises: and first concerning Quaking and trembling; to which yee adde, grovelling upon the ground, and foaming at the mouth, which are lyes and slanders of your owne inventing: but for quaking and trembling we owne it, as that which the Lord hath said shall come upon all flesh, and which the Saints have witnessed through the Scripture; and if we should deny them, we should deny the holy men of God, as Moses, Isaac, David, Habakkuk▪ Daniel, Ezekiel, Ieremiah, Paul, and many other of the deare servants of God, and shew our selves to be strangers to that condition by which they came to know the Lord, as yee doe, who revile and reproach it. And whereas you tell of three [Page 26] sorts of trembling in the Scripture, but know them not within your selves, ye are not to be regarded, nor what ye speake by heare-say, who are scorners of their conditions which ye reade in Scripture; neither doe ye know from what they proceed, but judge of them in your owne imagination, and in this, as in other things▪ contend against what is witnessed in Scripture, [...] up all the lyes▪ slanders, and weakenesse of any to cast [...] the truth and the Saints condition. And whereas ye say, [...] call these quakings our great perfection; that is false, and a lying slander, like the rest; our perfection stands not in any outward things, but in the good and perfect gift which we receive in Jesus Christ.
Now of our second practice, which ye call Rayling. I answer, If they speake of ye the things that are true, and in which you live, will ye call the truth, Rayling, though it come in an unwelcome language to the disobedient natures? Was it rayling in Christ, to call them, The children of the Devill, who brought forth the workes of the Devill; or to call them Serpents, and Vipers, who sought by their subtilty to devoure the simple? Or to call Herod a Fox, who was a King; or for the Apostles and Saints to call them Dogs, and Swine, who loved their sins and filthynesse, and could not be kept from returning into it againe. For they who did stand in the light of the spirit of God, did discover the contrary spirit, which did act severall wayes in the men of the world, and some they saw to be Doggs, some Wolves, some bryars and thornes, some high-Mountains, some fat Bulls, which did compasse the innocent about to devoure them, some Witches, who bewitched the Saints from the guiding of the spirit to carnall things: Now, will you call these Raylers, because they speak the truth upon the severall actings of the spirit of the Devill where it was? But they were the servants of the Lord, and were meeke, and gentle, and patient towards all men▪ even so these servants of the Lord now, [...] they speake the truth as things are found in ye, revealed unto them by the same spirit, are no raylers, but are meeke, gentle▪ and patient; notwithstanding, they must doe the Message of the Lord faithfully.
Now to the third practice, They pretending, upon all occasions to be sent by Commission from God, as [...] shall instance in some cases [Page 27] following [...]. I answer, the Messages that God have [...] his servants on, have been strange to the world, neit [...] could the world, who knew not the voyce of the Lord, ever [...]w [...] them, but have been counted mad men, mad fellows, fooles▪ [...] with new Wine, and such like; Yet I shall not here justifie every one, who saith, he is sent of the Lord, for many lying spirits are gone out into the world; but woe unto him that runneth, and is not sent, and belyeth the Lord, when he hath not spoken unto him: but as for your particuler charge [...] again [...] particular persons, I shall say little, as not knowing the things in particuler; but finding your Booke stust with lyes and untruths▪ gives me cause to beleeve, that many of these are like the rest: Onely, this is plaine Scripture, That the Messages of the Lord which he sends his people on, are foolishnes to the wisedom of the world, and so they are to ye; and though ye would appoint them their place, and manner, and time, yet it is neither in your wills, nor theirs, but in the will of God which if any out of feare or favour doe not obey, they shall suffer for it. And whereas ye declare of comming of some of us to Newcastle, this I witnesse to be true, as in the pr [...]sence of God,E. B. that our Call was from God, and our Commission was from him, and therefore did suffer persecution by you, and by the Magistrates; but as for our declaring our Message before the Magistrates, my Brother and Sister were interrupted by some of you in their declaring. But that they who were before the Magistrates were invited to go to any of your houses to speak, is false; and here W. C. is a false witnesse. And whereas ye accuse us▪ For casting off the Word of God. I answer, It is false, for the Word of God we owne, and obey, for which we are scorned, and suffers reproach by ye. For your accusing George Fox for cursing Master Fetherston, as ye call him, I my selfe was in presence, when Fetherston confessed: that the words which George Fox spoke was Scripture. And for your slander ye cast upon Christopher Atkinson, and a Woman, for their familiarity; and to make a ground for your slander, ye say (to say no more) but why, to say no more? if ye know more, why doe you not speake the truth, but slander in secret? And here you false accuser, thou and thy witnesse shall both be taken alive, and cast into the Pit, [Page 28] who hath deceived the people by thy false lyes and slanders; thou charges me with my immodest familiarity with a Woman ofC. A. my way; and to colour thy deceit, thou sayst, (to say no more) thou false accuser of the Saints of God▪ I challenge thee, and companion, to prove what you have spoken against m [...] and not onely so, but against all the Church of God, who doth suffer by you, who live in pride▪ Dives-like. And as for thee W. C. thou art made knowne to be of that generation which put the Saints to death; but the Lord shall pleade with thee, and give thee thy portion in utter darkenesse for ever. As for Wallas your witnesse herein, whom yee call a godly Minister, he said in the hearing of many people, That it was no murther in him to murther Christopher Atkinson, and the rest of the Prisoners at Kendall, being neere twenty; now, how this mans testimony may be trusted, or that he would keep any thing backe that might adde to the slander, any honest man may judge, for the murtherer and the lyar are one, and he that makes no conscience of the one, makes none of the other: But here, as in the rest of your Book, ye take up things from such hands, and adde to them your owne inventions, to make us vile in the sight of the people. And for any going naked, or being otherwise made signes and wonders to yee, which ye charge as a great thing against us, yee being ignorant of the power of God; by which these men are acted, any wise man may know these doe it not according to their owne wills, but in obedience unto God, which commands, some have denyed to obey, for which, the heavy judgements of God have been layd upon them, from which they could not be freed, till they were made obedient, as is well knowne in Kendall. And now to your reasons, why yee call us Pharisets, Monkes and Fryars, or any thing to render us most odious to all people, which is no strange thing for us to receive from that seed, from whence it coms, neither doth is trouble us, that the Scripture be fulfilled, which saith, As they have done unto me, so will they doe unto you; neither is the servant greater then his Lord; therefore doe we rejoyce therein, as a sure testimony that God hath called us from among you, and we are not of you, neither can you love us, therefore we looke for no other at your hands; and though, as concerning ourselves, we [Page 29] should be silent, yet for the truths sake, I shall speake a few words, to lay open your owne false slanders in some of the particulars, wherein ye compare us to Pharisees, Monkes and Fryars. And first ye say, The Pharisees did seperate themselves from the rest of the people, upon a conceit of their owne holinesse. I answer, Selfe we deny, and all that seperates themselves by the power of selfe, for there ye are; but we are seperated by the light of Christ, whereby we are called out of the world, and set free from all conceits of our owne holinesse; and it is no other holinesse we owne, but the holinesse of God, witnessing against all unholy practises of the world; neither doe we owne any to be Saints, who walke in unholinesse; and here we have the practice of all the Saints in Scripture to witnesse for us, who were seperated by the same light out of all the unholy practises of the World, who were made the righteousnesse of God in Christ, and denyed themselves and selfe-righteousnesse: therefore your false accusation we deny.
2. For your accusing us to be Pharisees, For standing in our owne Knowledge, and saying, These are accursed who know not the Law. I answer, This is your owne, who stand so much in your owne Knowledge, that would have all to come to ye to be taught; but our owne Knowledge we deny, and waite onely for the Knowledge of God revealed to us in Jesus Christ. And for calling Devills and mad-men, which ye cast upon us, that is your owne language. And whereas ye say, We judge the lawfull use of meats and drinkes, that is false; we speake against your glutteny and drunkennesse, and excesse, which all the holy men of God have spoken against.
3. Whereas ye accuse us, For shutting up the Kingdome of Heaven against men, Mat. 23. 13. I answer, Those whom Christ speaks on there, were such as were hypocrites, which said and did not, which Preached to others that which they did not practice themselves: and here▪ let all judge if this be not your owne, which ye would cast upon us.
4. Ye charge us, With compassing Sea and Land to make one Proselite, and when he is made, he is two-fold more the Childe of Hell then he was. I answer, Our endeavours is to call people out of their sins, not in shews, but in reality, as many will witnesse [Page 30] with us; but your pleading is to perswade people, that they must never overcome their sins,. Now vvho makes Proselites the children of Hell, but they that keep them in the works of the Devill; and they that Preach such Doctrine, are they that poyson the hearts: but to turne from sin unto God, is to purifie, and not to poyson.
5. You charge us, With Tything Mint and Annise, but neglecting the weightier matters of the Law. And ye say, We lay all the weight upon triviall observances of Hats, Thou, Clothes, &c. but doe wholly neglect the Mysteries of Faith, Righteousnesse of Christ, and Ordinances of the Gospel. I answer, For Tything, that is your owne, and ye contend for it, neither dare we call any thing triviall that the Lord requires of us, though vve lay not the vveight upon these things. And for the neglecting the Mystery of Faith, and the Righteousnesse of Christ, that is false, for the Mystery of Faith is held in a pure Conscience, and that vve owne, and presse every one to practice. And the Righteousnesse of Christ vve owne, and the Ordinances of the Gospel vvhich is Christ, vve owne; onely your invention and tradition, vvhich was never Ordayned by Christ, we deny.
6. Ye charge us, With making cleane the out-side of the Cup, being whited Sepulchres, outwardly appearing beautifull to men, but within full of hypocrisie and iniquity. I answer, Now whether this belong to us, who witnesse our light, and righteousnesse within, vvhich is the righteousnesse of Christ in spirit; or to ye, vvho have your light and righteousnesse vvithout, in your Formes, but vvithin are full of pride, covetousnesse, lying, slandering, and such like filthy practises, vvhich vve deny; now whom this charge vvill fall upon, let the truth judge. And whereas ye say, We doe our works to be seen of men, because the Lord sends some of us into your Idols Temples, Streets, Markets. I answer, Was it not the practice of the Apostles to goe into the Synagogues and Market places, vvhere the people vvas, to declare their Message they had from the Lord, and yet they did it not to be seen of men. And whereas ye say, We pray not at all, but are the Heathen that knowes not God, and the Family that calls not on his name. I answer, Those vvho know our practice, shall vvitnesse against your false accusation: and for being [Page 31] Heingathen, that is your owne, vvho exercise authority over your owne hearers, and pleade for your Heathenish customes, vvhereby it appears ye know not God, And vvhereas ye charge us with crying up our own holinesse, and our selves as extraordinary Prophets, Rabbies, and Doctors. I answer, It is false, for it is Christs holinesse vve owne, and Christ the everlasting Prophet and Priest, vve owne, vvhereby vve deny ye vvho goe under the namy of Rabbies and Doctors. And vvhereas ye charge us, with neglect of Apparell, Fasting, and seperating from the world. I answer, What Apparell doe vve neglect, saving the pride and vanity vvhich you live in, and vve are made to vvitnesse against, for vvhich you hate us: And for Fasting, and seperating from the World, for shame doe not professe your selves to be Christians, vvhile you cast the commands of Christ, and practice of the Saints upon us, in scorne and derision. Did not Christ command to forsake the World? and vvas not the Apostle in Fasting often? but you shew your selves not to be guided by that spirit, but envie them vvho are: And ye that scorne Visions and Revelations, are ignorant of that, by vvhich the Saints came to know God, for no man knowes God, but by Revelation. Whereas you charge us with laying the weight of our justification upon outward observances. I answer, It is false, for the vveight of our justification is layd upon Christ, in us the hope of glory. Whereas ye say, Ye have not been injurious to [...], in calling us Papists▪ Monkes and Fryars. I answer, The injury vvill be to your selves, for vve rest in patience, vvhile vve see the Scripture fulfilled, vvhich saith, They shall cast out your names as evill, and shall speake all manner of evill of ye falsely, for my names sake; which we beare with patience, as owning it to be our portion from that Generation. And now let every honest heart who reades these two Books, and knoweth our practice, and seeth the multitude of lyes and slanders cast upon us, judge, whether ye have done this from an honest principle, and the establishing of the Faith, or with an intent to slander us, and make the truth odious▪ because we have been brought forth as witnesses against your unrighteous practises: and we leave it unto the righteous Judge, who is the searcher of all hearts, to cleare the innocent in his ow [...]e time and will, and [Page 32] to find out the guilty and discover him, that simple soules may be no longer deceived through false glosses, and the subtilty of crafty men of corrupt minds, for their owne ends, which we know is the worke of the Lord that he is about, and therefore with patience we waite his time, into whose hands and keeping we commit our selves, and all the faithfull of the Lord, who is a sure refuge to the truth. To whom be all glory and holy prayses from all that know him, for evermore, Amen.
And now a word to ye five who have subscribed this Booke, that yee may see by what spirit yee are carryed on to utter so many untruths and false reports, taken up by heare-say, without any ground at all; and divers things out of Books, which you cannot be ignorant, how ye have on purpose wrested to slander withall, that if there be any Principle of honesty in any of you, yee may repent before the Lord, and that it may not be layd to your charge at the great day, when all hearts shall be layd open. But in the meane time, this I know, that what ye have intended against the truth, and to keep off the simple from owning of it, shall by the wisedome of God so lay open your deceit and envy, that it shall advance the truth, in the sight of every simple heart; which if the truth may but be exalted, and my Father thereby honoured, it is nothing to me, how vile I seeme before men; and therefore in peace I rest, giving my selfe to the will of God, and what I have Written, to be judged by all the Children of the light, which is not my owne, but his, from whom I have received it, who will defend it against all the wilde Beasts of the World, and whom he will, shall profit by it▪ And so I rest, a Servant of the Truth, knowne to the World be the Name of