To every individuall member of the supreme authority of the Parliament of the Commonwealth of England, but more especially to Colonell George Thompson chairman to the committee for regulating the new import of excise, and particularly for that of sope The humble addresse of Lieutenant Coll. John Lilburne, a freeman of the Common-wealth of England. Lilburne, John, 1614?-1657. 1650 Approx. 8 KB of XML-encoded text transcribed from 1 1-bit group-IV TIFF page image. Text Creation Partnership, Ann Arbor, MI ; Oxford (UK) : 2011-12 (EEBO-TCP Phase 2). A88257 Wing L2185 Thomason 669.f.15[64] ESTC R212055 99870708 99870708 163138

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 eng Walker, John, fl. 1650 -- Early works to 1800. Soap trade -- England -- Early works to 1800. Excise tax -- England -- Early works to 1800. 2020-09-21 Content of 'availability' element changed when EEBO Phase 2 texts came into the public domain 2010-10 Assigned for keying and markup 2010-10 Keyed and coded from ProQuest page images 2010-11 Sampled and proofread 2010-11 Text and markup reviewed and edited 2011-06 Batch review (QC) and XML conversion
To every individuall Member of the ſupreme authority of the Parliament of the Commonwealth of England, but more eſpecially to Colonell George Thompſon Chairman to the Committee for regulating the new Impoſt of Exciſe, and particularly for that of SOPE: The humble Addreſſe of Lieutenant Coll. John Lilburne, a Freeman of the Common-wealth of England. With all humility and reſpect humbly ſheweth,

THat upon the Sope-makers late Petition to this honorable Houſe, for the eaſe of their grievances therein complained of; Your Houſe were pleaſed to refer it to the Conſideration of the foreſaid Committee, where Colonel Thomſon hath the Chair; Upon the hearing of which there; ſeveral Propoſitions and printed papers have been preſented to the Honorable Parliament, and particularly, Some conſiderations of the ſaid Sope-makers, were preſented to the Honorable, The Parliament of England, upon the 5. of this inſtant, with the hands of Alderman John Hayes and 19. more of the ſaid Sope-makers thereunto annexed: in anſwer unto which was preſented the next day after, a paper ſubſcribed by one John Walker a Sope-maker, living in White-Chappel; at the concluſion of which he hath theſe very words, viz.

There is a great Report about London, that ſome of the eminent Subſcribers report, that I (the ſaid JOHN WALKER) ought to come and preſent my Propoſals, Quaeres, and Conſiderations with a halter about my neck, to which I (the ſaid JOHN WALKER) reply, it was a Cuſtome among the Lacedemonians made ſo by Licurgus, that if any man preſented any thing to the Senate, they came with halters about there necks, ſignifying, that if any thing was preſented prejudicial to the common-wealth, the party was executed; if it was approved by the Council he had a Chain given him; to which if any Subſcriber EQVAL TO ME, ſhall be ſo contented, I willingly will ſubmit to it, and leave it to the judgment of this great Council to give to each of us his demerit; my conſcience bearing me witneſs that if there be any Error in my PAPERS it is Reipublicae error amoris, not Amor erroris, to the Common-wealth an error of love, not love of error.

To which, with all humility I crave leave from your Honors favour, to joyne iſſue with the ſaid John Walker, provided I may but a little enquire and digg into what he means by thoſe words in his foregoing propoſal, viz. EQƲAL TO HIM.

To which I Querie, if by Equal to him he means one, That was a Silkman and afterwards broke; as he himſelf confeſt to Mr. Thomas Pulteney he did, at that time when he ſaid unto him, That a broken Silkman would make a good Sope-boyler; I confeſs amongſt the Subſcribers I know none ſuch to Equal him. Or,

Secondly, if by one Equall to him, he means ſuch a one, as after his being a Silkman broke, and after that turn'd Sope-boiler, and then being too haſty of being rich before his time, turned Ingroſſer of all or moſt of the Potaſhes, about a year or two agoe, that he and his partners could ingroſs into their hands, in and about the City of London; by the falling of which they juſtly loſt divers Thouſands of Pounds; which gave John Walker ſuch a ſecond pull, as that it made him (as Alderman Hayes informs me) confeſs to Major Brett (one of his Creditors) that now he is not worth a groat: And if by equal to him he means ſuch a one, I know no ſuch amongſt the foreſaid Subſcribers. Or,

Thirdly, if by Equall to him, he means ſuch a one as hath been an open profeſſed notorious Royal Malignant Cavalier, as John Walker hath been, and an active underminer (upon the late Kings ſcore) of all the Parliaments proceedings for about 8. years together; yea, and one ſo full of Zeal therefore, that it led him in the nature of a Spie or Inteligencer to travel from London to Oxford, and other parts of the Kings Quarters: for which as a Traitor he was (as Alderman John Hayes informs me) clapt in the Tower about the year 1643. and had like therefore to have been hanged by the Councell of War then ſitting at Guild Hall: If by his Equall in theſe particulars, he means ſuch a one, I know none ſuch amongſt the Subſcribers. Or,

Fourthly, if by Equall to him, he means ſuch a one as himſelf is, who (as the foreſaid Alderman John Hayes ſaith he will juſtifie and prove him to be) managed the Petition of ſeveral perſons in and about London, and was their active mouth at the Bar of the Common Councell, when the Petition was preſented for the Conjunction of all the Suburbs Militia's to that of London, which was then lookt upon by the Parliament and Army, as a Plotted Deſigne, to cut the throats of all thoſe commonly called Zealouſly well affected in Parliament, City, and Army▪ I know no ſuch Equall to him, amongſt us. Or,

Fiftly, if by his Equall, he means one that liſted men privatly upon the late Kings ſcore, on purpoſe to cut the Parliament and Army's throats, about the time of the laſt Hambletonian Invaſion, as the ſaid John Walker did a Cooper and others in White Chappel, and made him or them drunk to boot, as the ſaid Cooper hath confeſſed to a friend of mine, who avowes that the ſaid Cooper is ready to juſtifie it; We have no ſuch Equall to him, in this particular that I know of amongſt us Subſcribers.

But laſtly, if by Equal to him (although upon equal terms, I ſhould abhorr & abominate my ſelf to compare my ſelf to ſo worthleſs a fellow) he means, a man as much an honeſt man, as he is a knave; or a man as much a true Parliamenteer, upon their own conſtant declared Principles, as he is a Royall or Regall malignant Cavaleer; or a man that dare be as valiant for a Good Cauſe, as he dare for his life be for a Wicked: I doe hereby throw him the Gantlet, and Declare my ſelf in this ſenſe to be his Equall; And upon that ſcore, do humbly and ſubmiſſively Propoſe to the Parliament, That if upon the reading and Debate hereof, they pleaſe to paſs an Order that upon ſuch a Day as they pleaſe to appoint, that my ſelf and the ſaid John Walker, ſhall each of us (with a Halter about our necks) appear at their Barr, I will face to face undertake by dint of Argument and Reaſon to maintain, There is more peace, quietneſſe, juſtice, honeſty, profit and benefit to the State in the Propoſals of the Sopemakers Petition, and Anſwer to his and his thrice broken brother Booths Propoſals, and the forementioned printed Conſiderations preſented to the Parliament-members, upon the 5 of this inſtant November, then there is in all or any of his printed Propoſals or papers; and the iſſue of this (totally to end the controverſie) I wil and do to the utmoſt extent of life and death hereby put upon the Vote and judgement of the Houſe. In witneſs whereof I have hereunto put my hand this 6. of November 1650. provided we may each of us have the nomination of a Shorthand-writer to take the arguments as exactly as they can, that paſſeth at the Bar betwixt him and

Nou: 7.th. 1650 John Lilburne.