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 Early English books online. (EEBO-TCP ; phase 2, no. A84847) Transcribed from: (Early English Books Online ; image set 168939) Images scanned from microfilm: (Thomason Tracts ; 153:E1037[2]) Honest, plain, down-right-dealing with the people called episcopal-men, & Presbyterians. In this seasonable advice given unto them, and their teachers. Fox, George, d. 1661. 4 p. printed for Robert Wilson, and are to be sold at his shop at the Black-spread-Eagle and Wind-Mill in Martins L'Grand, [London : 1660] Signed at end: Geo. Fox the younger. Caption title. Imprint from colophon. In this edition line 4 of text ends: know. Annotation on Thomason copy: "August 7". Reproduction of the original in the British Library.

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Honest, Plain, Down-right-Dealing WITH THE PEOPLE CALLED Epiſcopal-Men, & Presbyterians. In this Seaſonable ADVICE given unto them, and their TEACHERS. FRIENDS,

YOU both pretend in words to be friends to the King; now let your actions ſhew forth the ſame, leſt ye (in this Cauſe concerning the King) be found like unto thoſe who in words profeſſed to know or love another King, but in works denyed him. Tit. 1.16. Therefore, labour not to perſwade the King to ſet up either of your forms of Worſhip in this manner, (mark) as to compel by outward force all others to conform thereunto, or elſe to perſecute them; for if you do thus, and if the King ſhould hearken unto either of you, and fulfill either of your wills in this particular, (mark) you to whom he ſo conſents unto, would ſhortly be made manifeſt to be the greateſt Enemies to the King in the Nations. And not only the Kings Enemies, but Enemies to your ſelves alſo, even to the endangering of the deſtruction both of the King and your ſelves; For if the King ſhall ſet up either of your Forms, and compel all others thereunto, or elſe perſecute them; (mark) you two are ſo inveterate one againſt another, and have acted already ſo cruelly one againſt another, that thus it will be with you, (mark) you that the King ſo ſets up will ſeek to avenge your ſelves, and to lord it over the other, and neither of you are able to ſuffer in patience, Mat, 5.44, 16 (and to forgive your enemies) as the Miniſters of Chriſt were to do, Mat. 6 15 that ſo which-ſoever of you were put under the other, you wil be watching to plot both againſt the King, & them that are ſet over you; & if you that are put under, can but get an advantage againſt the other, which ſoever of you it be (mark) even the Mercies of you would be cruelty towards thoſe that kept you under. And if either of your Forms ſhould be ſet up, as before-mentioned, you who be ſet up in that manner will be in great danger of being deſtroyed, and that for theſe reaſons.

Firſt, Becauſe it is not owned by the Lord, that any ſhould ſet up a Worſhip, and compel others to it by outward force or perſecution; and this is the way in which either of you would proceed, if ye had power, and thereby you would engage the Lord againſt you and your Worſhip; for the worſhip which he owns, Iohn 4.23 24 is in the Spirit and in the Truth, and nothing but the power of his Spirit can compel thereunto, and they that Rebel againſt this power in matter of Worſhip, are for it to be puniſhed thereby.

Secondly, Becauſe the Lord hath decreed to remove oppreſſion and perſecution, and to judge and blaſt that ſpirit which hath exerciſed cruelty againſt the Saints, and to ſet up Righteouſneſs, and to give his people their juſt Liberty to worſhip him according to the leadings and requirings of his eternal Spirit in them; (mark) and if either of your Forms ſhould be ſet up (as beforementioned) it would ſtrongly oppoſe this Decree of God which cannot be broken, and therefore it would engage the Lord to deſtroy you.

Thirdly, if one of you be ſet up, and ye be impower'd by the King to compel by outward force all others to your Worſhip, or elſe to perſecute them; (mark) this will exaſperate the Spirits of moſt of the other Sects againſt the King, and you that ſhall be ſo ſet up; and it will engage all them of the Sects that are in the fighting nature, & can uſe a carnal Weapon for their own defence, to joyn together as one man againſt the King, and either of you that he ſhould ſo ſet up. Therefore if you would be true friends either to the King, or your ſelves, and your Nation, labour not with the King to eſtabliſh either of your Forms (or any other) as before mentioned; but if ye own CHARLES STUART to be King, be content that he may rule over all, as one, keeping the outward peace among you all, by providing juſt Laws, to puniſh any that would hurt any mans Perſon or Eſtate upon any unjuſt account whatſoever, or any that ſhall run into open profaneneſs; Mat. 7.12 and be content that others may have as much liberty to worſhip their God in that way they are perſwaded to be right, as ye deſire to have in that ye think is right; and lay by all theſe Carnal Weapons, as Priſons, Fires, Gallows, Stocks, Whips, and all outward violence, and uſe none of them (mark) about compelling to a Worſhip: But you that are Teachers,2 Cor. 1 • 4 come forth with your ſpiritual Weapons (if you have them) and ſmite at the ſpiritual wickedneſs that is exalted in the creatures, if ye be able, wreſtle with that, and not with the creatures; & if without uſing outward force & compulſion, Eph. 6.12. ye can plant a Vinyard, (as the Apoſtles did) then eat of the fruit therof, & if ye can thus gather a flock & keep them, then eat of the milk thereof; & if ye can ſow ſpirituals, then reap of their carnals that receives you and your Teſtimony; and if you be ſent forth by Chriſt, Luk 22.35 then you will not lack any thing; but if you dare not come to this tryal, then it will plainly appear that you are ſuch as ſerve not the Lord Jeſus Chriſt, but your own bellyes; Ier. 23.32 and that you are not ſent of God, but run, and he hath not ſent you; and ſpeak, but he hath not ſpoken unto you, and therefore you cannot profit the people; (mark) And if the outward peace be kept by the Kings Law, that ſo none may do violence to any mans perſon or Eſtate, then you need not fear if you be in the Spirit of Truth,1 John 4.4. but that ye ſhall overcome them that are in the ſpirit of error, and make them manifeſt when they do oppoſe you; but if you dare not come to this trial, Acts 6.9, 10. then it will plainly appear, that you are in the ſpirit of error, and ſuch as cannot ſtand except they be upheld by the Powers of the Earth.

Again, and if God ſhould ſuffer this, that either of you could prevail thus far with the King, as that he ſhould ſet up either of your Forms, and give you a Law to compel or perſecute outwardly, (mark) thereby you might make many hypocrites, who might pretend to foyne unto you, (to ſave their Bodies or Eſtates) until they could find an opportunity to deſtroy you; but by all your outward force, you can never convert any unto God; for it is Chriſt, the Immortal, ingrafted Word, which is only able to convert unto God; and it is the work of the true Miniſters to turn people from darkneſs to light, Act. 26.18 and from Satan's power unto the power of God; Rom. 10. 8 and to direct them to the Word which is nigh, Acts 20.23 in the mouth, and in the heart, Iam: 1.21 and to commend and keep them to that; and to exhort them in meekneſs to receive the ingrafted Word, which is able to ſave their ſouls; 2 Cor. 10.4 and they muſt not uſe any Carnal Weapons to do their work withall, but Spiritual: Therefore if you would be counted Chriſts Miniſters, lay by your Carnal Weapons, and uſe them no longer about Religion; neither preſs the King to ſet up or uphold either of your Forms of worſhip by outward force (as beforementioned) leſt thereby you become Inſtruments to deſtroy the King, your ſelves, or the Nation.

So though King CHARLES be accounted and ſuffered to be Head in things between man and man; yet let CHRIST JESUS the everlaſting King be accounted and ſuffered to be Head of his Church, Eph 5.23. & 4, 13. that ſo He may have that which is due unto him; Col. 1. • 8 and this were the way for the true Church, and the King, and theſe Nations to proſper, and the way for the falſe Church, the falſe Prophets, and all plotting uſurping ſelf-intereſted men to be confounded.

And this is the deſire of me who am a ſufferer for Righteouſneſs ſake, contrary to any Law of God, or known Law of the Nation.

Geo. Fox the younger. From my Chamber (the place of my confinenient) in Lambeth-Houſe, (the 14th. of the 4th. Month, 1660.) where I have perfect peace with God through Jeſus Chriſt, in whom I have true Liberty as a Son, according to the appointment of the Father.

I cannot flatter any, but muſt spe • k the naked truth unto all; and I ſeek the peace of my Nation, and the good of all men; and I cannot fight with any Creature, but I can fight with the spiritual wickedneſs, though it be in the High Places.

G. F.

LONDON, Printed for Robert Wilſon, and are to be ſold at his Shop at the Black-spread-Eagle and Wind-Mill in Martins L' Grand, 1660.