A True DISCOVERY Of the Ignorance, Blindness, and Darkness Of those Who are called Magistrates about Carlile in Cumberland, who call Light Darkness, and Truth Er­ror, and judge them blasphemers who are sent of the Lord to declare the eternal word of truth amongst them, but the Lord hath made himself manifest in the hearts of his people, and opened their eys here in the northern parts, whereby they plainly see the Tyranny, Oppressi­on, and Cruelty of those who are called Magistrates and Rulers, who do imprison the servants of the most high God, for declaring against sin and abomination, held up in Markets and Steeple-houses, and so they that depart from iniquity and stand in obedience to the Com­mands of the Lord, makes himself a prey to that ge­neration; but the Lord is risen for Sions deliverance, all Praise and Glory be to him for evermore. J. C.

LONDON, Printed for G. Calvert, 1654.

A Prisoner of the Lord at Carlisle, and standing accused for witnessing forth that which the Saints witnessed. And having a cloud of Scriptures to maintain nhe same, that the igno­rant and simple may see that it was the righteous seed that ever suffered by the unrighteous seed of evil doers which suffers so.

Accusation 1.

ANd for that I am accused for saying I was in Heaven, which I have many witnesses in the Scriptures as fol­loweth, Paul said he was caught up into the third Heaven, 2 Cor. 12.21. And David saith, Whom have I in Heaven but thee, Psal. 73.25. And thou hast made us sit together in heavenly places, Behold I looked, and behold a dore was opened in Heaven, Rev. 4.1. And the seventh Angel soun­ded there was great voices in Heaven, Rev. 11.15. And I saw another Angel flye in the midst of Heaven, having the everlasting Gospel to preach unto them that dwell upon the earth, saying with a loud voice, Fear God and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgements is come, Rev. 14.6, 7. And I saw another sign in Heaven great and marvellous, Rev. 15.6, 7. And after I saw these things I heard a voice of much people in Heaven saying, Hallaluiah salvation and glo­ry and honor, and power unto the Lord our God: now if any come to witness this fulfilled, ye imprison them, and so would ye do to John if he were here, and so be witness a­gainst your selves, that ye are in the same generation that e­ver persecuted, for John and the Apostles was persecuted with the same generation.

Accusation 2.

Ye accuse me for confessing the Son of God and saying, I am the Son of God, as many as received him to them he gave power to become the sons of God, which were born [Page 5]not of blood nor of the will of the flesh, nor of man but of God, Joh. 1.12, 13. and must not the son which is born of God and not by the will of man speak, Behold what manner of love is this, that we should be called the sons of God, Therefore the world knoweth us not, because it know­eth him not, and marvel not my brethren if the world hate you, we know that we have passed from death to life, be­cause we love the brethren, the world ever hated the son of God, 1 Joh. 3.1, 2, 13, 14. And we know we are of God, and the whole world lyeth in wickedness, and we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that is true, and we are in him thats true, even in his son Je­sus Christ, this is the true God and eternal life, 1 Joh. 5.19, 20. God called Israel his son, Exod. 4.22. and the son of God was an Israelite indeed, in whom there was no guile, Psal. 2.7. Thou art my son this day have I begotten thee. And Isa. 9.6. unto us a son is given, A virgin shall bear a son and this is my well-beloved Son, in whom I am well plea­sed, no man knows the Son but the Father, neither knows any man the Father save the Son, and him to whomsoever the Son shall reveal him, and where he is revealed must he not speak, no man hath seen God at any time, the onely be­gotten son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath de­clared him, where this son is made manifest, declares the Fa­ther now, which no man can, for he hath not seen God, and he that hath the Son hath life, and he that hath not the Son hath not life; and here you have cleared your selves from God.

Accusation 3.

I said I saw Gods face: The Lord spoke to Moses face to face as a man speaks to his friend, Exod. 33.11. and might not he confess it, now if any confess he sees the face of God you imprison them, shewing ye take counsel against the Lord and against his Anointed. And Jacob whose name was changed Israel, saw God face to face, Gen. 32.30. And might not he confess it where Iacob or Israel is risen sees the same as he saw, but Esau doth not, but seeks to slay Iacob, now Esau who was a fornicator and a prophane person, who for [Page 6]one morsel of meat sold his birth-right, for the lust, and all who lives in the lust, fornication and prophaneness are in the same nature now, and such are they that persecutes Iacob and Israel now which sees God face to face, and here the Scripture is fulfilled, And Iob said I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear, but now my eys see thee; and must he deny that he saw God. Now he who confesses he sees God ye imprison, ye shew your selves to be in the generation that ever persecuted the righteous seed in all ages and generati­ons, which seed is Christ. Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made, he saith not to seeds as of many, but to one and to thy seed which is Christ, as if there be 10000 one seed which is Christ in all, and must not this seed speak, or the seed of the serpent? Whether Christ or the Serpent? And if Christ be in you the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is life, because of righteousness; and the pure in heart sees good. And ye have shewed forth your corrupt hearts.

Accusation 4.

Because I said I did not commit sin, he that believeth is born of God, whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin, for his seed remaineth in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of God, in this the children of God are manifest and the children of the devil, for this purpose the Son was made manifest to destroy the works of the devil, where the son of God is not made manifest, the works of the devil are standing, and he that sinneth hath not seen nor known him, Cain was that wicked one which slew his brother, and wherefore did he slay him, because his works were evil, and his brothers righteous: now thou Cain appears against the righteous seed where it is brought forth, the second birth, 1 Joh. 3. he that is dead is free from sin, now if we be dead with Christ we shall also live with him, knowing that the old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin should be de­stroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin, being then made free from sin ye became the servants of righteousness, but now being made free from sin and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness and the end everlast­ing [Page 9]life, Rom. 6.18, 20, 22. ye are circumcised with the Cir­cumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of sin of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, but ye are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if so the spirit of God dwel­leth in you, now if any man have not the spirit of Christ, he is none of his, and if Christ be in you the body is dead be­cause of sin, and must not this Christ speak where he is made manifest, and kill the body of sin, which Christ is but one yesterday to day and for ever, and is there any Christ but this which kills the body of sin, and Christ in you the hope of glory.

Accusation 5.

As the same Christ as ever was made manifest.

Christ said to his Disciples I will come again to you, that your joy may be full, the same Christ that suffered, and when he is come which the Pharisees and Jews will not have to rule and speak, which ruled over the Disciples and spoke to them, and taught them, and when he is come again must he not speak? and where he is made manifest, and be King and rule; That Christ that dyed at Jerusalem, and, if it be any other Christ but that Christ, he is Antichrist, for Christ is but one in all his Saints, the same Christ yesterday to day and for ever. And Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me, for it was that Christ that was risen that said he was persecu­ted, he is the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world, I was in prison, and I was sick, and ye visited me not, hungry and naked and ye clothed me not, but as much as ye did it not to one of these little ones ye did it not unto me. And its the spirit of your Father that speaketh in you, and ex­cept ye have the same spirit, that raised up Christ from the dead ye are none of his. And if you have the same spirit must not that spirit speak Christ in you the hope of glory, which is the mystery which is hid from Ages and Generati­ons, but now is made manifest the same Christ as ever was, and must not this Christ speak where he is made manifest, or must he be dumb? The son of perdition in man which is exalted a­bove all that is called God, he would not have the one Christ to regn and speak which is in all his Saints, who is the head [Page 10]of the man, and must not the head of the man speak but where the Prince of the Ayr rules, and the Son of perdition above all that is called God, they have a prison to put Christ into where he speaks, who disobeys the light of Christ in them, and imprisons it, they are the hypocrite Pharisees, Ru­lers and chief Priests, which under colour and profession of Christ and God, yet they are the enemies to the Son of God and imprisons him thus, where he is made manifest, and they that were then against Christ, they are the same against him now in Nature, for Christ to day yesterday and for ever, is witnessed.

Accusation 6.

Because I said the Bible was not the word of God, God is the Word, Joh. 1.1. it is but a declaration of the Word, and the word was God, and the word was made flesh, and dwelt amongst us, This was not the Letter, and the Letter saith the word is sharper then a two-edged sword, he doth not say the Bible is sharper then a two-edged sword, Heb. 4.12. And Jeremiah saith the word is as a hammer and a fire, but he doth not say the Letter is a hammer and a fire, but the Letter saith the Word is so, so you blaspheme in saying the Bible is the Word, and sets it up before God who is the Word, and was before the Letter was.

Accusation 7.

Because I said I had no remorse for sin, and that the Saints judged the hearts.

He that is born of God sinneth not, what remorse for sin can there be in him, which doth not commit sin, love think­eth no evil, so it cannot have remorse for that it thinketh not, and a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, and as he is so are we in this present world, and he that doth righte­ousness is righteous, even as he is righteous, Heb. 10.17, 18. Their sins and iniquities will I remember no more, now where remission is there is no Sacrifice for sin, and here you shew your selves ignorant of the Scripture, as you may, 1 Cor. 14.24.25. Job 21.27.

Christ saith judge not by outward appearance but with righteous judgement: and the Apostle saith the Saints shall [Page 11]judge the world, and Solomon saith he hath set the work in their hearts, Hos. 4. they set their hearts on iniquity, there he judged their iniquity, Ezekiel Judges the heart, 14.13. the Lord let him see their hearts, Stephen judged their hearts, Act. 7. and here you shew your selves ignorant of the Scri­pture and the life that gave them forth.

Examination 8.

And whereas I said my words hardened Cresters heart, which the event of it did shew forth, when the Apostles did speak of the things concerning the Kingdom of God, di­vers were hardened and believed not, but speak evil of that way, Act. 19.8, 9. As you do now, is this Scripture ful­filled, and was not Cresters and the rest hardened, Pharoah-like, who imprisoned the just for telling the truth.

Accusation 9.

Because I said I was perfect, Noah was perfect in his Ge­neration, Gen. 6.9. And that ye stand perfect and compleat in the will of God, for by one Offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified, The Apostle said he spoke wis­dom among them that were perfect, as many as are perfect be thus minded, the Apostle did not bid imprison them, now see how contrary you walk to Scripture rule, who imprisons him that saith he is perfect, if they which gave forth the Scriptures were here, you would imprisom them; and Christ saith be you perfect as your Father which is in Heaven is perfect, and every one that is perfect must be as his Lord, and as he is so are we in this present world, Coll. 4.12. Heb. 10.4. 1 Cor. 2.9. Phil. 3.15. Matth. 5.48.

And for saying there was but one son of God.

The Son of God is but one in all the Saints male and fe­male, Christ all in all. And the son it is that makes free, and all that is made free by this son, and all that hath the Son of God hath life, and all that hath not this Son of God hath not life, and here you shew that you are ignorant of the Scriptures and of this Christ this Son of God which you [Page 12]have long professed in words that makes so many Sects a­mongst you but, now persecutes him and imprisons him wher he is manifest, why persecutest thou me, saith Jesus? for them that witnessed Jesus was brought out of the Jewish Synagogues and Temple, and they haled them out and per­secuted them as you do no now who witnessed the substance. And they must come of the Priests and witnessed the un­changable Priesthood Christ Jesus, so now they who do wit­ness the unchangeable Priesthood, and are brought of the worlds Assemblies which hath the form, and to them holds forth the power, such as are haled forth of the Synagogues and imprisoned, with you who have the form as your Fa­thers had.

And for that which was said, the Son of God spake to them there and is risen. Where the Son of God is made manifest must he not speak, here you have shewed forth your selves, he that is born after the flesh persecutes him that is born after the Spirit and persecntes him, and prisons him, and here you yave shewed that you prison the son of God, here see if your Laws be not your Wills as the Jews was a­gainst Christ, and be ye witnesses against your selves, know ye not that Christ is in you except ye be reprobates.

And as for saying Thomas Crester tempted him, did not they who was out of the Truth tempt the son of God, who had the form of the Prophets and Holy men of God, conditions but not the life as you have now, the form of Christ the Prophets and Apostles, for had you had the life of Jesus Christ you would have owned him whom you per­secuted, but kept peace, or had you owned the Law of God which was made for sinners, you would not have im­prisoned the just who in love for your souls good came to declare the Truth to you, whom you put him under a cruel Tyrant Jaylors hand who strook him in prison when he spoke not a word to him.

And as for speaking to Willfro Lawson and them that was present what he spoke was true Scripture, and the Scrip­ture [Page 13]was but one, it all being given forth by the inspiration of the Spirit, and the Spirit is but one that gave it forth, and the holy Ghost is but one, which the holy men of God was moved to speak it from: now you that have not this Spirit and the holy Ghost, persecute them who are in the one Life, and with the one Spirit, owns it to be one, and such as you persecute them that witness it, as your fathers did, which gave it forth.

To the light which Christ hath enlightned every one of you withal I speak which lets you see your evil deeds, which you love it, it will bring you to repentance of what you have done, which light will guide your mindes up to God, which if you hate it, you hate God and Christ, then this light is your condemnation, and to you this is true Scripture, and the light in your conscience will witness what I speak: for you that hate it, hate me, but it is no marvel, for the world ever hated the son of God where he was made manifest, as you may read in John, there let the Scripture it self judge you.

And as for saying, He was moved of the Lord to speak to that in the consciences of men, Holy men of God spake as they was moved by the holy Ghost: and the Ministers of God are made manifest to that of God in mans consciences. And here again you have cleared your selves from the holy Ghost and the Ministers of the Spirit, which ministers to the spirit in prison. Oh that ever men should profess the Scripture, and persecute the life where it is made manifest! but no other fruit is looked from such trees, but the Lord is coming to hew down all tree that have cumbred the ground, but with the life that gave forth the Scriptures, shall you all be judged that act contrary to that in your conscience: for to that I speak, and that is it which shall witness me, and condemn you that hate it.

As for saying, It was better to obey God and man: Did not the Apostles ask the same question when they was brought before Magistrates, which witnessed forth Christ: and they was haled out of the Synagogues, and Prisoned, and haled before Magistrates: And have not you Magistrates [Page 14]shewed your selves to be in the same nature, to prison and persecute, and slander the innocent: And let all see that you have acted contrary to the Scripture, and that your wills would be obeyed, who prisons him that doth obey God, and let the Scripture it self judge you.

And for asking him, How long he could stay in that place? his Answer was, As long as his Fathers will was. And there again you do shew you are acting contrary to the Scripture and the Apostles doctrine who taught the people to say, If God will: and to stand in his will let the Scripture it self judge you. And for saying to avoid disorder where is the power, that is, terror to evil doers, where is the Autho­ty that keeps in order: Oh for shame never profess your selves to be Magistrates, had you heard him spoken or acted any thing contrary to the Law, then your Law might have been said upon, but you, but you prisoned him contrary to Law, but only your own wills, so the just Law of God will take hold upon you, and vengeance is the Lords, and he will repay it.

A Discovery of the present practise of the Profession in ENGLAND.

OH England, thou that hast professed the Scripture, that which Moses wrote, the Law, that which the Prophets which was sent of the Lord spake forth; that which John Baptist preached, which was a burning and shining light; that which Christ Jesus, the substance of all, when he was upon earth, and that that he spake after his Resurrection, and that that the Apostles spake, which was sent of him to preach unto all Nations: And thou makes a Profession of what the Apostles wrote to the Saints of God, which was come out of the world, and which was not of the world, of whom the end of the world was come: And of them that was come to the General Assemblies of the First-born, which are writ­ten in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect; all these you make a profession of in words, and your Teachers give meanings to them with their carnal mindes of the outward Letter, which was spoken from the life: For those that did speak them did possess and enjoy what they spake, but you are ignorant of the life of them; for where the life of them is made manifest, them you do persecute, beat, and stock, and hail to prison, as all your generation of professors of an outward thing ever did, who knew nothing of the inward, O be ashamed and blush, and tremble before the Lord God, who hath so long worship­ped the beast, and given all your glory and honor to the beast, not knowing the living God, nor the first principle that leads to life. And that your Leaders and Teachers de­nies the light, which Christ Jesus saith he hath enlightned every one that comes into the world with all. And that the power of the Lord which causes trembling and quaking, which all the holy men of God that ever heard the voyce of God, which is terrible, which shakes the earth, ever wit­nessed while the earth was standing in them. And this you call Impostures and Delusions, and of the Devil, which makes [Page 16]manifest that you know nothing of God, nor never heard his voyce, nor seen his face. Oh woful and miserable is your condition, which wars against the living God, your condi­tion is more miserable then any that ever went before you. You say, you have the word of God, and that which you call your word is a Declaration of the eternal Word, which Christ and the Apostles spake forth. Christ Jesus said, I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you unto my self, that where I am, there you may be also: Jesus Christ saith, I am the resurrection and the life; and he said, Glorifie thy son, that thy son also may glorifie thee, and as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he may give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him: Now if any come to witness the Resurrection of the dead or eternal life, or wit­ness Christ come again, or the Holy Ghost, as the Apostles did, or witness the Son of God made manifest, him you beat, stock, stone, imprison, hale before Magistrates, persecute as vagabonds and wanderers, and many saith, that whosoe­ver kills them, they do God good service; and there the Scripture is fulfilled on you: And see now what your faith is, in this you call your word, when you do not believe it, when you see it fulfilled; nay, ye are more cruel then the Scribes and Pharisees was, which crucified Jesus Christ; for they looked for a Christ, because the Prophets had prophe­sied on him, but when he came they did not know him; but asked him, If he was the Christ: but now you profess Christ come in the flesh, and Christs Resurrection, and the Resur­rection of the body, as the Scripture mentions, and you say, it is so, because the Letter saith it is so, though you know nothing of the Resurrection of the dead, but denies the first principle, the light that leads to life, and to the Resurrecti­on; and death reigns in you that hath passed over all men, and you are looking without you, saying, Lo here is Christ, and lo there, contrary to Christs Command, and there that prophesie of Christ is fulfilled upon you, who saith, the King­dom of heaven cometh not with observations, but the king­dom of heaven is in you; and you are persecuting them whom Christ hath enlightned, and who witnesses the Scriptures as [Page 17]as they speak, who bears testimony to the truth of them. And here you are found lyars, and sayers, but not doers, as the Scribes and Pharisees were that Christ cryed wo against; and here you are without all example or president that ever was since the creation, that a people should professe a thing and persecute and imprison those that possesses the same that you professe: And here you are above all cruelty and tyranny that ever was, but you are given up to hardnesse of heart, and blindenesse, and your Leaders and Teachers have erred from the Lord, though they have professed the words of Christ, where it will make for their own ends and purposes; yet they deny the light which Christ saith he hath enlightned every one with that comes into the world, which is the light of the conscience, which is in every man, which they say is natural; and here they keep people from the first principle that leads into truth and into obedience of the Lord. And they deny Revelations, and so denies Jesus Christ; though Jesus Christ saith, That none knows the father but the son, and he to whom he doth reveal him; and so you keep poor people strangers from the life of God: and they deny perfection and cleansing from sin while they are here; though Jesus Christ saith, Be ye perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect; and, by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified; and the Scripture witnesses the cleansing of the Saints all a­long, and the perfecting of them according to their growth, but poor people are kept in blindness and ignorance, with hearkning to their filthy inventions and blind imaginations and meanings that they give to the Scripture, when no pro­phesie of it came not by the will of man, but the Lord God of power and life is found true, and all them are found to be lyars, eternal praises be unto his name for ever: For Christ Jesus is risen, and the Son is revealed, and the blood of Jesus Christ is witnessed, which cleanseth from all sin. And the Eternal Spirit of Life is witnessed, which all the blind guides are ignorant of praises, praises be to the Lord God for ever. Therefore all people every where, if you would know the living God, hearken to the light in your consciences, which convinceth you, and lets you see sin and evil, and checks you [Page 18]when you do wrong, let that lead and guide your mind and that will lead you to God, who is the Father of light, turn your minds within, and keep close to the light in your conscience, there is your Teacher, and that is it; and if you do not obey it, that will be your eternal condemnation, so if you love your souls, hearken diligently unto that, and your soul shall live; and spend not your money for that which is not bread, nor go not after your blind Guides, for they know not what the soul is, nor where it is, but one saith, this is the soul; another saith, that is the soul; nor none of them knows that they have a soul, nor cannot witness a living soul, but they are them that makes merchandize of souls. Therefore beware of them, as you love your souls and go not after them, now you have time prize it, and if you love the light which Christ hath enlightened you withal, you love your souls: and if you hate this light which would keep your mindes up to God, you hate your souls.

IF any one in Westmerland or Cumberland, or elsewhere, that owns the truth, have a love to Christ, and owns his light which he hath enlightened every one that comes in­to the world with all, and hath a love to God; and are not satisfied in the things of God, with him whom the world calls George Fox hath spoken and declared forth, let them declare it, and publish it in writing; and not to backbite nor lye, nor persecute in secret, this I demand and command of you all in the presence of the living God, as you will answer it in the presence of the living God. For the exal­tation of the truth, and the confounding of the deceit, is this given forth, that truth may be exalted, and deceit confounded, to that of God in the Consciences I speak, declare or write it to any of them whom you call Quakers, that truth may be exalted, and all things come to the light which Christ hath enlightned every one with that comes into the world: and that nothing should be hid in darkness, prisons or holes, or corners, that all things may come to [Page 19]the light of Christ, and tryed with the light of Christ: this was I moved of the Lord to write forth, to be set on the Crosses in Westmerland, and elsewhere: To the light of Christ in you I speak, that none of you may speak evil of the things of God you know not, lest you be found fighters against God, and the hand of the Lord be turned against you, and not to act contrary to the light that gave forth the Scriptures.


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