The Lord Inchiquins queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster, with theyr answer to the said queeres as also Sir Richard Blagues speech, chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at Killkenny, made to His Excellence the Lord Marquis of Ormond upon signing of the articles of peace : and His Exellencies answer to Sr. Richard Blagues speech. — Queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster

The Lord Inchiquins queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster, with theyr answer to the said queeres as also Sir Richard Blagues speech, chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at Killkenny, made to His Excellence the Lord Marquis of Ormond upon signing of the articles of peace : and His Exellencies answer to Sr. Richard Blagues speech. — Queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster

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THE LORD INCHIQVINS Queries to the Protestant Clergie of the Province of Munster.

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THE PROTESTANT CLERGY of Munsters Answer to the Lord Inchiquins Queres.

To the first Quere.

To the Second Quere

To the third Quere.

To the fourth Quere.

SIR RICHARD BLAGVES Speech Chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at Killkenny, made to his Excellence the Lord Lieutenant, upon signing of the Articles of Peace.

HIS EXELLENCIES Answer to SR. Richard Blagues speech.

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THE LORD INCHIQVINS Queries to the Protestant Clergy of the Province of Munster, with theyr Answer to the said Queeres. AS ALSO SIR RICHARD BLAGUES Speech Chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at KILLKENNY, made to his Excellence the Lord MARQVIS of ORMOND upon signing of the ARTICLES of PEACE. AND HIS EXELLENCIES Answer to SR. Richard Blagues Speech. PUBLISHED By His Majesties Special Command.

HAGE: Printed by SAMUELL BROUN English Bookeseller, Dwelling in the Achter-om at the Signe of the English Printing house. Anno M.DC.XLIX.

THE LORD INCHIQVINS Queries to the Protestant Clergie of the Province of Munster.

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MR. Dean Boyle I desire you to propose these severall Queries to the Clergy, and returne me their Cleer and Conscientious Answer to them.

I.

Whether the Clergie, living under the protection of His Majesty in this Province, do conceive themselves obliged by Conscience to give obedience to his Commands, and the Authority placed under Him, for the preservation of the English Protestant Party here, and the Armie under their Command? And whether there be not the same Engagement upon them to use their utmost Endeavours possible to confirme, and settle all fluctuating persons to the like obedience? And whether all contrary practises be not blameable?

II.

Whether their Endeavours thereunto ought not to be shewed by them in their publique Ministery; videlicet their Prayers and Sermons, which they shall exercize themselves in, at their publique Meetings, and Assemblyes of the People, and in their other Devotions, and Discourses also?

III.

Whether Prayers uttered in these Assemblyes, though with pretenses to performe that duty before mentioned, may include in them suppositions scandalous against either the Person, Right [Page] Goverment, or pious Affections of the King, or his Ministers? And whether any that doe so, may not be rather said to accuse them before God, and men, then any way to assist them in the preservation of the People, or Army under their Commands, in amity and obedience?

IV.

Can it be lawfull, or approved in Conscience, That the Ministers should present to the People the Mysteries of State (if they came to their Knowledge) or to manifest unto them their owne apprehensions (if not sufficiently understood?) And if so by what authority? to what intent? or end? If not, ought they not to keepe themselves within their owne Line, preaching faith, and good manners, with obedience to the Civill Magistrate?

Inchiquin.

THE PROTESTANT CLERGY of Munsters Answer to the Lord Inchiquins Queres.

IN obedience to your Honors Commands wee have taken the Queres into our Consideration, and unanimously returne this Answer.

To the first Quere.

First. Wee acknowledge, that wee, who live under the protection of His Majesty in this Province, are bound, by our duty towards God, and our othes of Allegeance, and supremacy, to give obedience to Him, as to our Leige Lord, and supreme Governour in all Causes, and over all persons, as well Ecclesiasticall, as Civill.

Secondly. Wee acknowledge, that by the same tye of Conscience [Page] towards God, & duty towards our soveraigne, wee are bound to obey all lawfull authority placed under Him, and over us, and in particular, that which is now established in the hands of the most honorable the Lord Marques of Ormond, Lord Lieutenant Generall of this Kingdome: Together with that in your Lordships management, as Lord President of this Province, and Generall of the Protestant forces in these parts, And wee freely professe our selves, not onely bound to obey your Honor but likewise to glorifie God on your behalfe, as the happie Instrument of the preservation of the Remnant of Protestants that remaine in these parts, And more especially of our selves, as (under God, and our Soveraigne) the principle Patron, and Protector of us in this Church; for which, as wee promise our free & cheerfull obedience, so wee desire to paye our willing Devotions to God for you that he would allwaies remember you for good concerning this, and wipe not out the good deeds you have done for the House of God, and for the Officers thereof.

Thirdly. Wee confesse it our duty, and shall endeavour the performance of it, to the utmost of our power, to labour, by all meanes possible, to fixe, and confirme all wavering persons in theire due obedience to this Authority establisht, as the most probable meanes to preserve the Protestant partie, and the Army under your Honors Command.

Fourthly. Wee cannot but acknowledge, that all contrary practises are justly blameable before God & Man, and wee utterly disclayme, and disavowe all Dictates, and Discourses whether by word, or writing, which in any wayes tend to raise up the Peoples Jealousie of the piety, and good inclination of our Governours towards us.

To the Second Quere

Wee acknowledge it a part of our Ministeriall Duty, in our publique Exercises, to endeavour, from the word of God, to instill the Doctrine of obedience to Civill Magistrates into the breasts of the People, and having planted that Doctrine, to water it with our Prayers, and weede up contrary opinions by our Discourses publique, and private, and this wee conceive the meanes to prevent intestine broyles amongst us, and to stop the effusion of blood, and settle us in a quiet & peaceable life, in all godly conversation and honesty.

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To the third Quere.

Wee acknowledge wee owe the Magistrate the duty of our hearts, and knees; supplications, and Prayers, and Intercessions, and giving of thanks is to be made for all men, especially for Kings, and all that are in authority; But as for any scandalous suppositions against theire persons or Goverment, wee esteeme them contrary to the method of Christian Prayers, which teacheth us to lift up holy hands without wrath, and therefore to be avoyded as Libells, and rayling Accusations, rather then humble supplications and such as are faulty here in (if any such be amongst us) wee desire them to rectify theire Devotions in this particular.

To the fourth Quere.

Wee acknowledge that the cheife and principall subject of Ministers in their sermons should be in instructing of the People in the right faith of the Gospell, good life and manners, and that theire Discourses should noe way intrench upon the Civill Goverment, or Transactions of State businesses, to detract from them, by possessing the People with any scandalous suppositions, which may alienate their affections, and obedience to them, and that they should not communicate any Mysteryes of State (which may be thought fit to be imparted unto them) without the speciall Comand of those which have immediate Authority reposed in them.

Kobert Nayler.

Hilke Hussey.

Bern. Packington.

Edward Singe.

David Bovild.

Andrew Chaplin.

Rob. Shawe.

Rich. Germine.

Phil. Fitz Symons.

Hen. Copley.

Iohn Goddard.

Iohn Hall.

Tho. Blackwell.

Iohn Godfrey.

Sirach Gilsland.

Tho. Bennet.

Rich. Burgh.

Mich. Boyles.

Iohn Snary.

Iames Dyer.

Morgan Mundyn.

Iohn Stawell

Richard Boile.

Iames Cox.

Edward Fenner.

Tho. Roberts.

Rue Wight.

Charles Coldwell.

Beniam Hearne

Lewis Frix.

Edward Iohn.

Anthony Procter.

Tho. Hacket.

Nept. Blood.

Israel Taylor.

Henr. Rugge.

Tho. Frith.

Rob. Browne.

Phil. Holmes.

Florence Corty.

Rob. Baily.

Edward Eyres.

Edmund Grayne.

SIR RICHARD BLAGVES Speech Chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at Killkenny, made to his Excellence the Lord Lieutenant, upon signing of the Articles of Peace.

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May it please your Excellence.

I Am Commanded by the Prelacie, Nobility, and Gentrie of the Roman Catholiques of Ireland, now assembled in this Citty of Kilkenny, to present unto your Excellencie theire ardent zeale (naturally engrafted in theire hearts) to theire sacred Soveraigne King Charles his service, unto whom they ever have bin, are, and will be, most faythfull, & loyall subjects; and in the next place, theire great affection to your Excellencie, and the never dying memory they entertaine, and will retayne of your most noble and succesfull Endeavours in the joynting, & setting together of the much disordered frame of this Kingdome. Former Cessations, Accommodations, and Capitulations did but skin over the deepe, & wide wounds that were, and are in the body of it. They received no life or perfection, they abortively perished in the Embryo, and vanished into the ayre: But the Peace (that by the great mercy of God, by the influence of His Majestye's graces, and by the Ministery, and cooperation of your Excellencie, is now to be Established) will prove, (as with joy & confidence wee expect) a firme, stable, and lasting Peace, a Peace that will cure these bleeding wounds, search to the very roote, and plucke out all the splinters that remaine of them: A Peace that will (as wee hope, and is the height of our desires, as it shall be of our endeavours) reinvest His Majestie in his just, due, and Royall Rights, and Prerogatives, and will restore [Page] this Nation to its former luster, plenty, and tranquillity: such a Peace as allready ends all our doubts, feares, and Jealousies in a mutuall confidence & rejoycing, and will make all the Members of this Generall Assembly (an Assembly, unto which the present and future ages will justly give the glorious name of the Peace-making Assembly) after their many distractions, and long continued sufferings, to returne unto theire severall respective Countryes, and dwellings, with olive branches (the Emblems of Peace) in theire hands, and the words in theire mouthes that were said of our saviour, when upon his entrance into the Citty of Naim, he mett with the funeralls of a dead young man, the onely sonne of his following weeping Mother, whom (gratiously compassionating her teares) he restored from death to life, the words were, and not unaptly to be applyed to our present Condition, Ecce Propheta magnus surrexit in nobis, & quiae Deus visitavit plebem suam.

Most Excellent Lord, (whom God allmighty hath preserved, and lead, as it were, by the hand, through a sea of troubles & dangers, to be the happie, & essentiall Instrument, to mediate, actuate, and now consummate this great worke, and to make Ireland (like the heavenly Ierusalem) to be a Citty at unity with in it selfe, I cannot sufficiently expresse the sence, and joyous exultancie of these most venerable Prelats, most honorable Lords, most juditious, and gallant Gentry, the representative body of the Roman Catholiques of this Kingdome, nor with what fervor and ardor they expect to reape the blessed fruites (which they have so long sighed for, and did sowe in theire blood & teares) of this Peace, and of your Excellencie's Goverment of this Kingdome, unto which, being derived from His Majestie (who is the spring from which these Graces and favours flowe upon them) they will humbly and heartely pay all due obedience. Your Excellencie's fast, and tryed fidelity to his Majestie, your owne great interest in the Kingdome, and the many great parts and talents that God and nature have plentifully endowed you with, giving them assurance, that your Goverment will produce effects sutable to theire expectation, and that will answer theire desires.

It much transcends my weake abilityes to represent them, theire affections, apprehensions, and hopes, in theire right and lively colours, and therefore I humbly begg, that your Excellencie will vouchsafe to give a benigne and favourable interpretation to what, by theire Commands, I have endeavoured humbly to offer unto your grave judgement, and consideration, and that your Excellencie [Page] will be pleased to signe this Instrument, the Everlasting Record, and Monument of this blessed Peace, as by their Commands (it having bin solemnly and unanimously by them so voted) I have had the honour, (a greater honour then my lowe, & humble thoughts ever aspired to) in their chaire to signe this Counterpart thereof, and, in all their names, most humbly to present it to your Excellencie.

HIS EXELLENCIES Answer to SR. Richard Blagues speech.

My Lords and Gentlemen.

I Shall not speake to those expressions of duty and Loyalty, so eloquently digested into a Discourse, by the Gentleman appointed by you to deliver your sense, you will presently have in your hands greater and more solid Arguments of His Majestyes gratious acceptance of them, then I can enumerate, or then perhaps, you your selves discerne, for, besides the provision made against your remotest feares of the severity of certaine Lawes, and besides many other freedomes, and bountyes conveighed to you, and your posterity, by these Articles. There is a doore, and that a large one, not left, but sett open to give you entrance, by your future meritts, to whatsoever of honour, or other advantage, you can resonably wish, so that you have in present fruition what may abundantly satisfye, and yet there are no bounds set to your hopes, but you are rather invited, or, (according to a new Phrase, but to an old & better purpose) You seeme to have a Call from Heaven, to excercise your Armes and uttermost fortitude, in the noblest, and justest Cause the world hath knowen; for let all the Circumstances, [Page] incident to a great & good Cause of warr, be examined, and they will be found Comprehended in that which you are now called warrantably to defende, Religion; not in the narrow circumscribed definition of it, by this, or that late found out meanes, but Christian Religion, is our Quarrell, which certainly is as much, as fatally struck at (I may say more) by the blasphemous Lycence of this Age, then ever it was by the rudest Incursions of the most barbarous and most avowed Enemyes to Christianity. The venerable Lawes, and fundamentall Constitutions are trodden under impious, and, for the most, Mechanique feete. The sacred person of the King (the life of those Lawes) under an ignominious imprisonment, and his life threatned to be taken away by the Sacrilegious hands of the basest of the People that owe Him obedience; And, to endeare the Quarrell to you, the fountaine of all the benefitts you have but now acknowledged, and of what you may further hope for by this Peace, & your owne meritts, is now in danger to be obstructed by the execrable murther of the worthjest Prince that ever ruld these Islands. In short, Hell can adde nothing to the desperate Mischeife now openly projected.

And now judge, if a greater, a more glorious feild was ever sett open to action; and then prepare yourselves to enter into it, And receive these few Advices from one throughly embarqued with you in the Adventure.

First. Lett me recommend unto you, that to this, as to all other holy Actions, you would prepare yourselves with perfect Charity, a Charity that may obliterate whatsoever of Rancours a long continued Civill warr may have contracted in you agamist any that shall now cooperate with you in so blessed a worke, and lett his engagement with you, (who ever he is) be, as it ought to be, a Bond of unity, of Love, of Concord, stronger then the nearest tye of nature.

In the next place, marke, and beware of those that shall goe about to renew, or create Jealousies in you, under what pretense soever, and accompt such as infernall Ministers, imployed to promote the black Designe on foote, to subvert Monarchy, and to make us all slaves to those that are so to theire owne avaritious Lusts.

A way assoone, and as much as possibly may be, with those distinctions of Nations, and of Partyes, which are the feilds where in the seeds of those Ranker weeds are sowen by the great Enemy of our Peace

In the last place, Lett us all divest ourselves of that preposterous, [Page] that ridicilous Ambition, and selfe Interest, which rather leads to our threatned generall Ruine, then to the enjoyment of Advantages unseasonably desired.

And if at any time you shall thinke yourselves pincht too neare the bone by those Taxes, and Leavyes that may be imposed for your defense, Consider then, how vaine, how foolish a thing it will be, to starve a Righteous Cause for want of necessary support; to preserve yourselves fatt and guilded sacrifices to the rapine of a mercilesse Enemy.

And if wee come thus well prepared to a Contention, so just, on our part, God will blesse our Endeavours with successe and victory, and will Crowne our sufferings with honour, and patience; for what honour will it not be, (if God have so determined of us) to perish with a long glorious Monarchy? And who can wante patience to suffer with opprest Princes? But as our Endeavours, so lett our prayer be, vigorous, that they may be delivered from a more unnaturall Rebellion then is mentioned by any now raised to the highest pitch of successe against them.

I should now say some thing to you for my selfe, in returne to the advantagious mention made of me, & my Endeavours to bring this settlement to passe: but I confesse my thoughts were wholy taken up with those much greater Concernements; Let it suffice, that as I wish to be continued in your good esteeme and affection, so I shall freely adventure upon any hazard, and esteeme no trouble a difficulty too great to encounter, if I may manifest my zeale to this Cause, and discharge some part of the obligations that are upon me to serve this Kingdome.

FINIS.

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The Lord Inchiquins queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster, with theyr answer to the said queeres as also Sir Richard Blagues speech, chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at Killkenny, made to His Excellence the Lord Marquis of Ormond upon signing of the articles of peace : and His Exellencies answer to Sr. Richard Blagues speech.Queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster

Inchiquin, Murrough O'Brien, Earl of, 1614-1674.

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— The Lord Inchiquins queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster, with theyr answer to the said queeres as also Sir Richard Blagues speech, chaireman to the Assembly of the Confederate Catholicks at Killkenny, made to His Excellence the Lord Marquis of Ormond upon signing of the articles of peace : and His Exellencies answer to Sr. Richard Blagues speech., Queries to the Protestant clergy of the province of Munster, Inchiquin, Murrough O'Brien, Earl of, 1614-1674., Blake, Richard, Sir, d. 1663., Ormonde, James Butler, Duke of, 1610-1688..

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