VVHat's the House upon, do you know, Gentlemen?

When I came out, they were upon private Bills, but will be upon the New Bank by and by.

Do you think it will go forward, Sir? and do you think it will do?

Aye, I think it will, and that it's better to have two Shops than one.

Yes sure enough, the more Banks the Parliament sets up, the better; and I hope Sir you will be a Subscriber to this new one.

But how will the Bank of England relish this, I pray? I'm sure that has been very serviceable to his Majesties Affairs abroad, and is become the Envy of France; and I think one such Bank is better and stronger than two can be; and I hear of two no where else.

For my part I am not concern'd in the Bank of England, but I confess I am concern'd as a good English-man in the Honour and Justice of the Govern­ment, and I think, at least, I may presume to say (of the Bank of England) they are not kindly dealt with. And I cannot now have half the Assurance which the Bank of England had, that the Parliament will not in a year or two set up a third, unless there be a Clause of restriction in this second; which the first, if they had not thought it needless, might, 'tis like, have had for asking. And had I appre­hended a second Bank, when I subscribed to the Bank of England, I would not have done it for a premio of 20 per Cent, for I could then have done better.

I protest, Sir, for my part, I know little of those matters, but I was, and am still of your Mind.

Gentlemen, you are under a great mistake: this is to be a National Land Bank, and quite another thing; or else I must confess the Bank of England might seem to have some cause to complain; but they have not yet at all complain'd.

Sir, with Submission, why do you call it a Land Bank? is Land to be Subscribed?

No, Sir, We have had a great deal of pudder about that; but I think we are now off it.

Indeed Land to be Subscrib'd with Money is but a meer Notion, got from those Gentlemen who have not experience enough to see into the incoherent consequences of a Bank so fram'd, and therefore cannot be. So then where I pray will be the difference between the present Bank of England and the intended Natio­nal Bank? Sure if the Nation be the English Nation, then one is the English Bank, and the other the Bank of England.

Why Faith give me leave to tell you, I thought the very Title of the Bank of England, even the word [The] had Implyed that very Bank to be the Only Bank that ever the Government of England would set up, or suffer to be set up, otherwise than under the Bank of England.

I was just of your mind, and was very well satisfyed with that Act and Charter, by which We and our Heirs or Successors were Incorporated and Endow­ed with Priviledges to last for ever, except redeemed at the end of Eleven Years, and therefore I did subscribe. But when I saw other Banks set up by their own Power and not supprest by the Government, I very fairly fold off, and took a good price for my stock.

I think if there were no Bank at all, it would be better for the Nation.

Yes, Sir, perhaps for a Nation of Goldsmiths, and yet not for all them in general neither: for I think it's beyond all Question, that solid Reason was the first foundation of the Bank, and we have seen nothing written or printed against having a Bank, but what contradicts the sence and experience of the most Flourish­ing Governments of Europe. And how far hitherto ours has answered the ends pro­posed, I think needs no demonstrations. And yet I think those who are for two Banks, are consequently for none at all; seeming rather to choose to assist his Ma­jesty against a powerful Enemy with a few Pibbles, than with a Rock or Mine of Treasure, which they know very well is the only Magazin that commands all other. Could we double the Money of the Nation, that indeed were something to our purpose: but to multiply our Banks, is division and distraction as to all great pur­poses.

Sir, you seem to be very zealous and much concerned for the Bank of Eng­land. Surely if as you say, you have now no stock there, yet they have some way obliged you; for I find other very good Merchants say, the Managers some of them are very high and stately, and much conceited of themselves too.

No, Sir, they never obliged me in any thing since they were a Bank: (and the Directors cannot please every body.) But it's the Honour and Safety of the Government that I am concerned for. What! was it not the Authority of the whole Government, and the large promises of all further Powers, Priviledges, and Capacities, that incouraged them to venture into a project here so doubtful and unex­perienced, that it was by some represented as throwing their Money into a Bot­tomless Pit? And should such persons who have so freely adventured for the same Government both their Estates and indefatigable Labours too, whose Purses are great but their Examples greater for his Majesties Service, and who are still able, and for ought I see, willing too, to do more than Ever; I say what Justice or what Policy is there to disoblige, or to discourage such Men? I see other Mens Eyes are upon it as well as mine, who have no particular Interest there, and now begin to Joque upon them that have.

I cannot believe his Majesty will be forward to do it, having given al­ready such a Charter as you speak of. But why do not the present Bank apply to the Parliament, and (if they can) propose to raise the same Money themselves on the same Terms as intended for another Bank, and then they may perhaps get better Assurances for the future? Why do they sit still? Volenti non fit Injuria.

Truly in my Judgment they are liker to raise the Money upon the Fund proposed than any new Bank are. But they know best their own Business.

Gentlemen, I would fain know how another Bank will hurt the former.

Why, the Advantage of a Bank consists in the Flowing Credit of it, and the Credit consists in the Greatness, safety and profit of the returns, so as to support it under any accident that may happen; and if the Cause be taken away, or lessened, the Effect must certainly cease. For when that great Business is divided into halves, it will look little, and be no Honour to the Managers, or to the Nation, and per­sons of Substance, Skill and Reputation will soon withdraw from the Management, and find better business at home, and then the Bank will soon be at an end when once it comes under Inferiour Conduct.

Sir, That's a Bank managed by Merchants, and will lend no money on Land, for it's a business out of their way: But this New one will be chiefly ma­naged by Lawyers, and it's in their way to lend money on Land.

If you Lawyers then have a Bank to mannage, you will not need to call in other Councellors to examine the Titles: Nor can it be supposed you will deny your own Professions, and not accept of Fees for that Inspection: and if a Man comes to you to Mortgage his Estate, he will be sure to Oblige (if possible) a good Opinion of his Title; so the Lawyers will get money, whatever the Bank does.

Sir, I suppose you cannot fight and maintain your self in a fit Equippage without your pay; and Lawyers must live by their Profession as well as others.

O very true, and the Directors will have abundance of Business, very much to put the money out on good Mortgages, and much more sometimes to get it in.

Gentlemen, but I am still of Opinion, that there's no need of, nor can it rea­sonably be expected, any other Bank can be perfected and carryed on with profit as a Bank, though the Fund may be very good: for the great charge and hazard of each Bank will be the same. Wee'll suppose, Sir, for Example, that some mighty Engine were to be turned about with Water, and that Water were but scanty; would you then be perswaded by any little Engineers to divide the Stream? And is any thing of more Importance to us than the Affairs of his Majesty, our own Safety, and the Trade of England? And what is scarcer with us then Money? Therefore first, let those be served with the greatest and most united Vigour, and then let it be dispersed for other Occasions of lesser Importance, and then his Majesties Exchequer and one great Bank will serve the whole and do hurt to none. It's not reasonable to expect, that any Bank can lend much Money upon Land in time of War, when his Majesties occasions for our defence and safety requires so much, and will pay bet­ter for it: but when God gives us Peace, then there will in Comparison be little else but Land to lend Money upon; and then the more Intire and flourishing the Bank, the lower will be Interest, and the higher and more Valuable will be Land.

Lawyer, you are in a publick station in the service of your Countrey, and in my judgment nothing can be more worthy of you, than to move in the House, that for fear of a Disappointment in what you intend, a Clause may be put into this new Bill, That in case the money do not come in within such a limited time, then the Bank of England may have-such liberty and encouragement, as to advance the money on the same terms you allow for another Bank, if they can.

I think your Counsel is very good, Sir.—But now my Coach is come to call me, and I must take lieve of you.

And so must I. Gentlemen, I thank you for your Company; and I am so much inform'd by the freedom of your Discourse, that I hope I shall scarce forget any part of it. And this insight into a matter of this importance, leads me still to be more curious to know more. You will all be here as well as I on Friday; I pray let's reserve a time then for more Discourse on this business.

With all our hearts, Sir, any thing to enjoy so good Company.