The Lord Andevers two speeches the one concerning the pacification the 6th of March, the other the Starre-Chamber.

The Lord Andevers two speeches the one concerning the pacification the 6th of March, the other the Starre-Chamber.

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THE LORD ANDEVERS SPEECH the 6. of March. 1641.

THE LORD ANDEVERS SPEECH concerning the Starre-chamber.

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The Lord ANDEVERS TWO SPEECHES.

THE ONE CONCERNING the Pacification the 6th. of MARCH.

The other the Starre-Chamber.

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Printed, Anno Dom. 1641.

THE LORD ANDEVERS SPEECH the 6. of March. 1641.

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MY LORDS,

I Did lately move your Lordships that the breach of the pacification might be speedily reviewed as the unum necessarium; and truly my opinion at that time is yet nothing altered, although upon better thoughts (me thinkes) it would first be known who did actually engage us in these fruitlesse dissensions, and so derive the mischiefe from some originall. For my Lords, the Kingdome cannot now long stand at gaze or undergoe new burthens.

Wherefore what is to be done (if you intend it should prosper) must presently receive life from the whole people, otherwise wee shall expire in a dreame; and when the successe differs from expectation, it is not enough to cry, quod non putaram. My Lords, the wise-man saies, there is a proper season for all things under the Sun, and we often find the experiment in naturall bodies, which are voluntarily weakened, to recover strength, yet with a restriction to such bounds, and limits, as the Physitian prescribes himselfe, and truly, I thinke it is your Lordships case at this point, either to consider what should further be done then is already, or else how to get out of those labyrinths we now are in, lest the words of the Psalmist come home to [Page] our selves Vendidisti populum sine pretio.

My Lords, I am confident the house of Commons doth throughly see▪ both into the prejudice, & vast expence that these 2. Armies lay upon the land, and undoubtedly so many. Gentlemen of worth, as sit there, will have tender eyes upon the Commonweale. It will therefore become your Lordships to second them in your way, and whilst they apply to publique wounds; the care of this house may search the intestines, for if they be not clensed, it will be but a superficiall Cure, and breake out againe.

My Lords, it seemes the Earle of Strafford, and the Archbishop of Cant. have gone the high wayes of iniquity, and every one knowes how to trace them, but Mines under ground are most considerable, which (unlesse they be likewise found out) may at any time spring and supprant the whole fabrick of all our labours. Let us then examine this fantastick warre ab initio; lest, as the Duke of Burgundy made a few Sheepskins ye cause of his quarrell, so we shall find those few sheets of paper, sent under the name of a Liturgy, and booke of Canons, were but the Mopsas of the story to divert our eyes from the maine designe.

Therfore my humble motion shall be for a selected Committee of no great number, who may have power from the House to begin ab origine mali, revise every mans negotiations, who was either an Actor or Counsellor since the first appearance of those troubles in Scotland, and that they may examine the Scottish Counsell upon such Articles, as the heavy pressure of this Kingdome shall upon common fame administer unto them.

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THE LORD ANDEVERS SPEECH concerning the Starre-chamber.

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My Lords,

SInce your Lordships have already looked so farre into the Priviledges of Peeres, as to make a strict inquisition upon forraine Honours, let us not destroy that amongst our selves, which we desire to preserve from strangers.

And if this grievance I shall move againe have slept till now, it is very considerable, lest custome make it every day more apparent then other. Your Lordships very well know there was a Statute framed the 30. H. 7. authorising the Chancellour, Treasurer, Privy Seale, and the 2. chiefe Iustices, calling to them one Bishop, and a Temporall Lord of the Kings Counsell to receive complaints upon Bill or information, and cite such parties to appeare as stand accused of any misdemeanors, and this was the infancie of the Starchamber. But afterwards Cardinall Wolsey. 8. Hen. 8. raised it to mans estate, from whence (being now altogether unlimited) 'tis growne a Monster, and will hourely [Page] produce worse effects, unlesse it be reduced by that hand which layd the foundation, for the Statures that are ratified by Parliament admit of no other remedy then an appeale.

Therefore I humbly offer unto your Lordships these ensning seasons why it should be repealed, First that the very words of the. Stature cleerely shew it was a needlesse in [...]itution, for it sayes, they who are to judge can proceed with no delinquent, otherwise the if he were convict of the same crime by due processe of Law, and doe your Lordships hold this a rationall Court that sends us to the Law and calls us backe from it againe? Secondly, divers judicatories confound one another, & in pessima Republica plurimae leges, this 2. reason is from Circumstance, or rather a consuitudine, and of this there are many examples, both domestike and Forreigne, but more particularly by the Parliaments of France abbreviated into a standing Committee by Philip the Long, and continued according to his intention untill Lewis the 11. came unto the Crownewho being a subtill Prince burned the volume in, the Epitome, for to this day when ever the 3. estates are called, either at the death of the old King, or to Crowne the new, it is a Common Proverbe, allons voire gen des estates. My Lords, Arbitrary judgments destroy the Cōmon Lawes, and in the 2. great Charters of the Kingdome, which being once lost, we have nothing else left but the name of libertie. The last reason is (though it was the first cause of my standing up) the great Eclipse that it hath ever beene to the whole Nobility, for who are so frequently [Page] vexed there as Peeres and Noblemen, and notwithstanding their appeale to this assembly is ever good, whilest the famous Law of 4. Ed. 3. remaines in force for the holding of a Parliament once a yeare, or more often, if occasion require, yet who durst a yeare agoe mention such a Statute without incurring the danger of Mr. Kilverts prosecution?

Therefore shall humbly move your Lordships, that a select Committes of a few may be named to consider of the Act of Parliament it selfe, and if they shall thinke it of as great prejudice as doe, that then the House of Commons in the usuall manner may be made acquainted with it either by Bill or conference, who may happily also thinke it a burthen to the subject, and so when the whole body of Parliament shall joyne in one supplication, I am confident his Majestie vvill desire that nothing should remaine in force vvhich his people doe not vvillingly obey.

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The Lord Andevers two speeches the one concerning the pacification the 6th of March, the other the Starre-Chamber.

Berkshire, Charles Howard, Earl of, ca. 1615-1679.

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1641

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— The Lord Andevers two speeches the one concerning the pacification the 6th of March, the other the Starre-Chamber., Berkshire, Charles Howard, Earl of, ca. 1615-1679..

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