▪ A goodly dysputacion betwene a Chri­sten Shomaker / and a Popysshe Par­son with two other parsones more, done within the famous Citie of Norembourgh.

Translated out of ye Germayne tongue into Englysshe. By Anthony Scoloker.

Imprynted at London by Anthony Scoloker. And Viyllyam Seres. Dwellynge wythout Alders­gate. Anno. 1548.

¶ Cum Gratia et Priuilegio ad Impri­mendum solum.

¶ The Shomaker cōming [...] to the parsones house, speaketh to the parsons seruaunt.

Shomaker.

Good morrow good fellow

Seruaunt.

ye are welcō master Ioā

Shomaker

I thanke you wt all my hert, Where is your master?

Seruaunt.

He is in the gallery, O tary a lytle I wyll go and call hym, master master your shomaker is here.

Parson.

Bene veneritis magister Hans.

Shomaker.

Deo gratias.

Parson

What bringe you there / do you brynge my slyppers?

Shomaker.

Yea forsoth Syr, I thoughte you had bene in the Church.

Parson.

No mary. I was yonder behynde in ye gallery and there haue I mumbled.

Shomaker.

What saye you master Parson? haue [Page] ye mumbled?

Parson.

Yea I haue sayd my diuine seru [...]ce [...] besydes [...]at I haue nowe and then fedd [...] my nyghtyngale.

Shomaker.

Syr Iohan I praye you tell me what nyghtingale is it, syngeth he yet?

Parson.

No forsoth, it draweth to nygh wynter.

Shomaker

I knowe a shomaker who hath a nigh­tyngale that begīneth now fyrst to synge.

Parson.

Yea, the deuell of hell take that shoma­ker with all hys nyghtyngales, he hath so rayled on oure mooste holyest Father the pope the moost hyghest Father and reue­rend lorde. yea, he hath so cryed and called hym abroade, euen as though he had bene the moost vylest and vngrationst wretche or knaue of the whole world.

Shomaker.

What softe and fayre Sir I praie the, he hath partely declared your maner of lyuinge, and your diuine seruice to the com­mon people, and nowe I perceaue you do nothing but rayle on hī, but what shall I [Page] saie? is your behauiour and lyuinge accor­dīg to christes Gospell / or is it apesplaye?

Parson.

What the deuell of hell haue these dul­headed shomakers to do with oure beha­ueour and lyuyng?

Shomaker.

It is wryten. When thou seest thyne Exod. 2 [...]. Ennemies asse fallen vnder hys Burden / thou shalt not go by but helpe hī vp. How muche more is a christen Man bounde to helpe hys neyghbour / who he seeth lyinge in an heauy conscience?

Parson.

That horeson assched ought not to ha­ue meaned spyrituall and relygious men / for they knowe well ynoughe before hand what synne is.

Shomaker.

But Ezechyell speaketh yf thou seest Ezechi. [...] thy brother synne, reprehend hym, or els I wyll require hys bloude, at thy handes Therfore a Christen man ought to repre­hend hys brother, be he anoynted or no.

Parson.

Arte thou a Gospeller?

Shomaker.

Yea forsothe Syr.

Parson.
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Hast thow not redde the gospel of S. Mathew in the vij. Chapter. Thou shalte not Iudge to chynte [...]te thou be not Math. 7. iudged? But ye Luthery as pass [...] nothyng at all vppon suche Sayinges / neyther do ye seke for them / for they are playne a­gaynst you.

Shomaker.

To iudge and reprehend, is to be vn­derstande two maner of wayes, we take not vppon vs to iudge that thynge which only aperteineth to god. As Paule sayth No man shall Iudge the seruaūt of an o­ther man, Roma. 14. but ought, to reprehend and ex­horte hym. As the prophet Esaye saythe Call without Ceasynge, and exalte youre Esay. 58. voice lyke a trompett to declare my people theyr offenses. et cetera.

Parson.

Ther is also written. Thou shalte not make the chefest of the people ashamed. Exod. 22.

Shomaker.

Who is the chefeste, amonge the peo­ple / is it not the Emperour, kynges / pryn­ces, Dukes / Earles, with theyr knygtes esquires and worldly power?

Parson.

Nay, nay. The pope is Christes vica­re, and next vnder hym, Cardynals, Bys­shops [Page] with all the spiritualte / as it is written. Solite de maioritate et obediencia. These spirytuall men represent the sun­ne and the worldly powers represēt only the moone. Wherout doth folowe that the pope must nedes be of greater power then the Emperour, who is faine to kysse hys fete.

Shomaker.

Is the pope such a puyssaūt lorde? tru­ly Iohan. 18. then is he not Christes vicare. For Christ sayth, my kyngdome is not of thys worlde. And Iohn. 6. Christ (when he sa­we Iohan. 6. that men wolde make hym kyng) wēt Luke. 2 [...]. hys wayes. Christ also sayd vnto hys dysciples. Worldely prynces haue dominion and beare Rule, and the Myghtyr of the earthe are called Lordes / but let it not be so amonge you. For who of you wyll be the greatest shalbe the leaste, and the che­fest as a Seruaunt, and therfore the pope and ye spyrytuall men are but mynysters vnto the Christians (in case ye be of God) and therfore menne may [...] re [...]ehende you well Inoughe.

parson.

The pope with hys, is nor bounde to o­beye the commaundemēt of God. As it is writtē in the spirituall lawe. C. Solite de maioritate et obediencia out of the whych [Page] we do conclude that the pope is no sinnes but the most holyest and in all thyng inreprehensible.

Shomaker.

It is wrytten, who so ever sayth that he is wythout synne, is a lyer, oute of the Iohan. 1. whiche followeth that the Pope muste nedes be a sīner or a lier (if he be not both) and not the most holyest / but is greatly to be reprehended.

Parson.

What I say / although the pope wer [...] so wycked, that he dyd bryng a great mul­tytude of people into hell, yet may no mā reprehende him. For it is wrytten in oure lawes dyst. xi. Sipapa. Howe doth that distinct. 40 please the?

Shomaker.

It is written in the gospell of Math. Math. 18. if thy brother do synne reprehend him be­twene hym and the / and if he heare the▪ then hast thou wonne him. Doth the po­pe vse such Godly acres?

Parson.

Doest thou call this to reprehēde af­ter a brotherly sorte, to cry and call it out so openly?

Shomaker.

It is further written in the same text, [Page] in case thy brother heare the not / then ta­ke one or two wyth you / and if he heare you not then, then tell it to the congrega­cion, and let him go lyke a heathen and infidell, euen as thou art sir domine▪

Parson.

I praye the what preuayleth it that thou doest call vs thus a broad lyke gre­shoppers, consyderyng we passe nothyng for it. For we holde vs by our decrees?

Shomaker.

Therfore sayth Chryst, in case men do not heare you, then shake the dust from your fete for a wytnes that the Kyngdo­me of God hath bene nygh vnto them. For theyr Iudgement shall be greater at the day of dome, then to Sodoma ād Gomorra. In what case shalt thou be then; seing thou wylt not be reprehended?

Parson.

I wolde graunte it to be so / in case they were learned men, but it becommeth not the laye people to reprehēd the spiritualte

Shomaker.

An asse reprehended Balaain the prophet. Wherfore then is it not lawfull. For a lay man to reprehende a spirituall man?

Parson.

I shomaker ought to meddle with greasing [Page] of his lether and clouting of his sho­wes, and not with holy scripture.

Shomaker.

Howe can ye proue that by scripture / that a Christen man may not rede, wryte and search in the scriptures? For Chryste sayth, search the Scriptures for she bea­reth witnes of me. And the psalmograph sayth also. Blessed is the man that studyeth nyght and daye in the lawes of the lord, And Peter sayth also Prepare your 1. Petri. 3. selues to answere euery mā / the grounde requyreth the hope whiche is in you, and in lyke maner Paule teacheth the Ephesi­ans to fyght agaynst the assaultes of the deuell, with the swerde of Gods woorde. Ephesi. 6. Oh lord howe were it possyble for vs to resyst, if we knewe nothing of the scriptu­re?

Parson.

Euen lyke a heape of gise in the water.

Shomaker.

Mocke at your pleasure. The Iewes knowe theyr lawe by roote or wythoute the boke, shal not we that are Christians know the gospell of Iesus Chryst? whi­che is the power of God to as manye as shalbe saued / as Paule sayth. 1. Corin. 1.

Parson.

Yea, thou shalt know it as Christ hath [Page] tolde. The scribes and pharizees haue set thē vppō Moses seat. What so euer they Math. 22. teach you, [...]oke you do the same which sig­nifieth the dayly preachīges / doth not this suffise the laye people?

Shomaker.

Ther is also written in the same chap. They laye heauy ād vnbearable burdens vppō mennes neckes, ād such sygnifye the tradicions and commaundemētes of men wherby ye dryue and oppresse vs laye people, bryngyng vs in heauy consciens / wherfore shulde we then folowe you?

parson.

How cāst thou proue that by scripture?

Shomaker.

Chryst sayth in the be fore named chap­ter. Wo be vnto you ye hipocrites ād pha­rizees, that shut vp the kyngdome of hea­uen for the people / thou wylte not entre into it thy selfe, nor yet suffre any other to enter.

parson.

Yea that was spoken to the priestes of the Iewes, and not to our priests.

Shomaker.

Mary. Syr ye haue fyrst taken the na­me of pharizees vppon you Which sytte vppon moses seate etc. Although it be spoken [Page] of the Priestes of the Iewes (as the [...]ueth is) euen so it also spoken of you. For your workes beare witnes / thou ea­test the widdowes houses / as ye text fur­ther doth declare, in good fayth six domine you haue taken your selfe by the nose.

Parson.

Fye on the. Howe do these horeson lutherians reioyce and laughe in their fyst, when they can fynde some sayings out of the scripture / they trouble and vexe one therwith, without ceasyng.

Shomaker.

Syr I pray the be not discontented fo [...] in good fayth I speake of a good zeale.

Parson.

I am not angry, but I am bounde to tell it the, it becōmeth not the laye People to meddle with the scripture.

Shomaker.

Chryst sayth. Beware of false prophetes Math. 7. and Paule to the Philippi. iij. take hede. Philipi. 3. If we myght not be suffered to rede the scriptures, how shulde we thē know these thynges.

Parson.

The same apperteyneth to the papistry as Paule sayth to Timoth. 1. ye shall correct the seducers with all extremitie.

Shomaker.
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Yea they do it not, but do manifestly agaynst it as it daylie doth apere.

parson

Let them care for that.

Shomaker.

No syr not so / we wyll not esteme it so lyght / it they wyll not, then muste we take hede that we folow not them / for no man shall beare an others burden.

parson.

Saye what ye lyst, it apperteyneth not to the laye people to meddel with the scripture as Paule saythe. 1. Cor. 7. Let euery 1. Cor. [...]. man walke accordynge to the lordes cal­lyng. Howe sayest thou nowe? thou wol­dest haue scripture, and now I haue scriptured the I trow.

Shomaker

Yea paule speaketh that of the outward conuersacion and lyuinge, of boundemen and Fremen / as in the same Chapter it is clearley specifyed. But here doth he forbid no man to searche the worde of God.

Parson.

Doest thou not here? ye mi [...]ste fyrste be called throughe the holy oyntment / and after that / be chosen of the higher powers other wyse is it not laufull for any man to meddell with the scrypture.

Shomaker.
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Chryst sayth. The haruest is great, but Luke. 10. ther are very fewe labourers, pray to the lorde of the haruest to send labourers in­to his haruest [...]erby the callyng muste nedes be inwardlye of God / and not out­wardely. For outwardly are all preachers called, as well ye false as the true.

Parson.

[...]ush. It is but folyshnes to reason with such pratlers.

Shomaker

It is euen so with you, as it was with Luke. 9. the discyples / whiche were offended that othermen castoute deuelles in Chrystes name, as wel as they. But Christ sayd for bydde them not. For who soeuer is not a gaynste you is with you. And if ye were true Chrystyans / ye shulde euen reioyce that the lay people do vnderstand & know the worde of God.

Parson.

What grefe is it to you?

Sho.

Because we haue forsaken the deuell in our baptym, therfore are we thus dilygent to fyght with Gods worde agaynst him & his kingdom, yea and to auenture and Ieoparde both body and goods.

Parson.

It were better for ye lay people to study howe to get the lyuing of your wyues and chyldren,

Sho.
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Chryst forbiddeth and sayth, take no thought what ye shall eate and drinke or Math. [...]. what clothes ye shal put on, for suche thinges do the heathen seke, but seke fyrst the kingdom of God. &c. And it shalbe geuen you aboundauntly. The man lyueth not onely by breade, but of euery word wt Math. 4. procedeth out of the mouth of God.

Parson.

Satisfye and content your selfe therwith / and bake neuer a whitte.

Shomaker.

We must labour, as it was commaun­ded Gene. 3. & Iob. 5. to Adā. The mē are borne to labour lyke the byrdes to flye.

Parson.

Where shuld you and other laye people haue learned it? some of them knowe ney­ther A nor B.

Shomaker.

Chryst sayth. They shal all be taught of God.

Parson.

But there nedeth also learnīg, wherfore are the vniuersities els ordeyned?

Shomaker.

In what vniuersitie (I pray the) dyd Ioan studye? Who wrote so profoundly In the beginning was the worde and the [Page] worde was God. & [...]ete. For he was bu [...] a fyssher as it is wrytten.

Parson.

What man / he was illuminate wyth the holy gost.

Shomaker.

It is wrytten. And it shall happen in the later daies, sayth God, I wyl power out my spyrite vppon all fleshe. What meane ye? thynke ye that thys is not spo­ken of vs? Actes. 2.

Parson.

No, it is spoken of the Apostles, as peter witnesseth. Therfor hold thy peace and speake no more of the spyrite.

Shomaker.

Chryste sayth who so beleueth on me [...] out of his bodye shall flowe streames of Iohan. 7. lyuing water. Whych is expoūned by the Euangelist, that he speaketh the same of the holygost whych all they shuld receyue that beleue in him.

Parson.

What I saye my thynke that thou smellest after Mātuanus that heretyke / wyth thy holyghost.

Shomaker.

Paule speaketh. Do ye not knowe [...]. Cor. 3. that ye are the tēple of God; and yt ye spy­ryte of God dwelleth in you? And to the [Page] Gallath. 4. Seynge ye are nowe become chyldren, God hathe sente his spirite in to Gallat. [...]. your hartes, who calleth. Abba, that is, be loued father. He maketh vs ryghtuous accordyng to his mercy, through the bath of renouacion / and the renewyng of the holyghost / whiche he hath powred haboū dauntly Timo [...]. 4. in vs. And to the Romaynes in the. 5. chapter. As the spirite nowe dwel­leth Roman. [...]. in you, who hath raysed Iesus Christe from death.

parson.

I fynde no holy spirite in me, you nor I are not noble inough therto.

Shomaker.

Wherfore are ye then called spiritual seyng you haue not the spyrite of God? ye ought with good right to be called spyry­ [...]elease.

parson.

They be other maner of people then ey­ther you or I am whiche haue the spiryte of God.

Shomaker.

Ye ought not to haue respect vnto thē. For God is no accepter of parsons. It is Actes. 10. also written. The spirite of God shal rest Esay. 66. [...]pon a broken or weake harte.

Parson.
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shewe me one, I praye th [...].

Shomaker.

Paull speaketh openly. Who soeuer y. hath not the spyrite of Chryst, perteyneth Rom. an 8. not to hym.

Parson.

Oh / trulye it is a very poore and my­serable spirit / which ye Lutherians haue, I thinke he is as blacke as a cole. I praye the tell me what make ye wyth your holy ghost? I beleue verely that he slepeth both nyght and daye by you, for men can not so much as ones spye hym.

Shomaker.

Christ sayth, Geue not that whych is Math. 7. holy to dogges, neyther cast ye your pear­les before swyne, leaste they treade them vnder theyr fete.

Parson.

What, are ye not ashamed to speake such▪ Rude and Vncommelye woordes before me?

Shomaker.

I pray the sir domine be not displeased for it is the saying of holy scripture.

parson.

yea, yea, yea, ye Lutherians speake much, of Goddes woorde, and it waxeth the [...]enger the worse / I can not spye any amendement [Page] in none of you all.

Shomaker.

Christ say the Luk. 19. The kyngdome of God cōmeth not outwardly▪ or wyth Luke. 19. lokyng vp / that men myght poynt it wyth fyngers, to sale here in thys or in that pla­ce is it / but it is inwardly in you. that is, it standeth not in outwarde workes.

Parson.

Men may perceaue that by your deui­ne seruyce. Ye praye not, nether go ye to the Churche nor to the dayly seruice, nor in a maner to nothynge at all that good is Is then suche kyngdom Gods kyngdom, amongest you Lutherians? I beleue it is the great deuell of helles kyngdome.

Shomaker.

Christ speaketh, The tyme shall come / Math. [...]. and is euen nowe, that men shall praye no more vpon this moūtain nor at Ierusalē, but shall praye only in spyryte and veryte Thys casteth downe and condem [...]neth your daylye seruice with also your num­bred prayers. For Chryste wholy and all abhorreth youre nombred prayers wyth youre outward mumblyng. Where as he saythe Math. xv. Thys people worshyp Math. 1 [...]. [...]e wyth theyr lyppes, but theyr harte is [...]a [...]re from me▪

parson.
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And Christ sayth, ye shall praye with­out Luke. 18. ceasyng.

shomaker.

yea, he meaneth, to praye without cea­synge in the spyrite, but Chryst dispyseth your prayer: saying, ye shall not make many wordes.

parson.

Gentle frende what is that for a pray­er, Math. 6. to praye in spirite and veritie? teache me that same I praye the, then shall I nede no more to say my mattēs nor myne other seruice.

shomaker.

Reade that lytle boke of Marten Lu­ther, intituled of the Christen lybertye wc he dedicated to Pope Leo, and there shall ye fynde it brefely declared.

parson.

I wolde rather that Luther wyth al hys bokes were burnt, I neuer in all my lyfe dyd reade none of them, nor yet wyll as I am aduysed.

shomaker.

What, why doest thou iudge then?

parson.

Mary because he worshippeth not the saintes.

shomaker.
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Chryst sayth. Thou shalt onely worshyp thy lorde God, and serue him onelye. Math. 4.

Parson.

Yea, we must haue intercessours to god

Shomaker.

Iohn sayth, If any man haue synned we haue a mediatour by God / whiche is 1. Iohn. [...] Iesus Chryst, who is ryghtuous, who is also the peacemaker for oure sinnes.

Parson.

Yea thou speakest fayre wordes good fel­lowe, but nede compelleth a man to begge yf thy legge were brokē / woldest thou not go to saint Wolfgange? or if thou haddest the tothache woldest thou not pray to saīt Aposonia?

shomaker.

No trulye. Chryst sayth, come vnto me al Math. 11. ye that labour and are laden, and I wyll case you. Where then wyll we seke better helpe, ye haue made Idoles of the saintes ād so ye haue seduced and brought vs frō Chryst.

Parson.

Yea, I haue hearde wel Inough of you Lutheriās that ye do neuer fast / doth Luthers holy ghost teache you that?

shomaker.

We are not commaunded of God to [Page] fast, but God hath lefte it free. Chryst sai­th when thou wylt faste, annoint thy head Math. 6. and wasshe thy Face, he sayth not, thowe shalt or tho [...] must faste, lyke our Romysh stepfather doth.

Parson.

Yea, but ye neuer do fast.

Shomaker

I beleue that he handycraftes menne do faste better (yea although they eate. 4. tymes in a daye) then all the pryestes and shauelyngs of the realme. It is manyfeste Inough. I nede not to speake any more therof.

Parson.

Holde thy peace then, and let me spea­ke, as concernyng fastinge that is the least faute, but ye Lutherians eate fletshe on ye fryday, that the deuell of hell mought blysse you.

Shomaker.

It is not forbydden of God to eate flesh, and therfore is it not sīne / so farre fourth as the weake people are not therby offen­ded. Math. 15. Chryst saith. That which goeth into the Mouthe, defyleth not the Manne / but that which commeth oute of the mou­th defyleth the Manne / as whooredome, murther, aduoutye, theft, false wytnesse [Page] bearing, bacbyting. &c. And Paule: 1 Co­rinthi. What soeuer is sold in the market 1. Corinth. that eate.

Parson.

yea, saye what ye lyst, but good olde customes whych haue bene kept and obser­ued aboue foure hondreth yeres / are not to be despysed.

Shomaker.

Chryst sayth Iohn in. 14. I am the Iohan. 14. waye, verytie / and the euerlastynge Lyfe / but he saith not I am the custom. Their fore must we sticke and cleaue to the very­tie whyche is Gods worde, and euen god hym selfe, which endureth for euer more / But custome commeth of men, whyche a­re Math. 25. all lyers / as the. 115. psal. saieth, which Psalm. 115 sayinge dothe whole and all ouerthrowe your customes.

Parson.

Syr I pray the tell me, the Lutherians do neuer shryue nor confesse them, whych is the greatest heresie of all.

Shomaker.

Nether is that commanded of God, nor yet pronounced, nether in the olde nor [...]n the newe Testament.

Parson.

Dyd not Chryst saye Go and shewe thy Math, 22. [Page] selfe vnto the priestes.

shomaker.

Doest thou call shewing shryuing, that is a wōders straunge Englysshe, ye must declare it better vnto me by scriptu­re. If the same shryuing in the eare were such a great bonde ād holy thyng, it shuld truely be clerer declared in the scripture.

Parson.

What I say / wyll ye do nothyng els but that whyche is commaunded yow of GOD in the scripture? that is a pitious case.

shomaker.

I can not fulfyll the same, as it is de­clared Actes. 15. / what nede I to lay any more bur­then vpon me?

parson.

Such thynges haue the holy fathers ordeyned in their councels.

shomaker.

Who gaue them Auctoritie?

parson.

Chryst sayth I haue yet many thyngs to say vnto you, but ye can not beare it a­wey Iohan. 16. now: Howe sayst thou? Are not than the councels instituted of God?

parson.

But Chryst speaketh before that, I shall [Page] send the comforter (which is the spyrite of trueth which procedeth of the father) and Iohan. 15. he shall declare you all thynges whiche I haue tolde you. Marke, he sayth not, he shall teache you new thinges, whych I haue not tolde you, but the same thynges wc I haue tolde you, euen the same shall he declare vnto you: And sayth further hereaf­ter / he shal leade you in all treuth

Parson.

Thus holdest thou nothynge of the councels I perceaue well Inough.

shomaker.

yes verelye of that counsell whych the Apostles kepte at Ierusalem.

Parson.

Haue the apostles also kept a counsell?

shomaker.

yea if you haue a byble.

parson.

yea I haue one, O Katherin / brynge he ther that same great old boke Katherin the parsōs handmayd

Katherin.

Syr is that same it?

parson.

What no / that same is the decrees, loke ye make it not soule. what elses.

Katheryn.

Syr is thys it?

Parson.
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Yea, make it cleane, and swepe of the So much dyd he re­garde the byble. dust and cobwebbes now master shoma­ker where is it?

shomaker.

Seke in the Actes of the Apostles in Actes. 13. the. 15. chapter.

Parson.

Seke your self / I am not much vsed Now he telleth truth. in the same boke I knowe other thynges wc are proffytabler vnto me, thē that.

shomaker.

There it is / beholde Syr.

Parson.

Katherin, rede Actum 15. nay let alone, I wyll rede it my self, and I wyll know what the same olde fellowes haue made.

Shomaker.

Yea, Rede, and ye shall fynde that mē may not say the burdens of the olde Tes­tament vppon the Christians, therfore a­re we not bounde to heare you in the olde, muche lesse in the new testament.

Parson.

But Christ sayth. Whosoeuer heareth Luke. 10. you, heareth me, ād he that despyseth you, despyseth me, is that same not cleare Inough?

shomaker.
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Yea, when you do syncerlye and pure­lye teach Gods worde, thē are men boū ­de to heare you euen as Chryste hym sel­fe. But whē ye preach youre owne Ima­ginacyons and inuencyons, thē ought no man to gyue care vnto you. For all that is not planted of God my heauenly father shalbe plucked vp by the rotes.

Parson.

Are the councelles then also the learnyng of men?

Shomaker.

If a man shulde say the trueth, the coū celles haue done great dammage in Chryhendome by two maner of wayes.

Parson.

What hurt or dammage? declare them I pray the hartelye.

Syomaker.

Fyrst the cōmaundementes which are innumerable and vnmeasurable as you your self knowe / and that which is worst of all haue bene by excōmunycacyons cō ­fyrmed, ād aboue that moost part are not grounded in the scrypture, and such your cōmaundemēts men haue highly estemed and therwith greatly charged mens cōscyences / and haue bene reputed lyke the commaundmentes of God / yea, set before thē [Page] wherby the commaundementes of God haue bene set backe and made vnknowen to the people. Such people hath Paul declared with their commaundementes.

That in the latter tymes shulde departe 1. Timo. 4 from the fayth, and gyue hede vnto spiri­tes of errour / and deuelyshe doctryne of them which speake false thorow ypocry­sy & haue their consciences marked with an hote yron, forbyddyng to marry, and commaundyng to absteyne from meates which God hathe created to be receyued wyth thankes geuyng of them which be­leue and know the truth.

Parson.

How is that come to passe, with what commaundementes I pray the?

Shomaker.

To eate flesh on the fryday, hath bene taken for a greater synne, then to kepe a whore or two.

parson.

I vnderstande you very well, what dammages are there more?

Shomaker.

Secondarely they haue brought forth many straunge Gods seruises / and called them good workes, which is nothyng el­les (if a man shulde saye so the) but verye [Page] apesplay and outward folysshnes / Wher­of God neuer spake one worde / wherby both we and they / haue neglected, and not regarded the good woorkes whych God hath commaunded vs.

parson.

what are then the ryght true workes of a chrysten man?

shomaker.

Chryst sayth. All what thou woldest ye Math. 7. men shuld do to the, do euen the same vnto them / and that is the fulfilling of the whole lawe and prophetes. And he doth teache Math. 15. vs to fede the hungry / to geue drinke to ye thyrstye / to harbarrowe the harbarroules to clothe the naked, to visite the sycke, and to comforte the prisonner.

parson.

Are that only the workes of a Christē man, and the wholl sōme of a Chrysten lyfe?

shomaker.

Yea / a true and faythfull chrysten man Iohan. 3. which is borne a newe out of the water ād the Spyrite (as it is written Iohan. iij. chapter) serueth God onely in spyrite and Veritie, and serueth also his Neighbour, wyth the woorkes of charitie / that is the whole summe of a Christen lyfe / but these [Page] papistes meane that such a Chrysten lyfe is nothing at all, because the same workes haue not such an outwarde shyne as their workes do.

Parson.

Thynke ye then that our syngyng and Readyng is of no worth?

shomaker.

Chryste shall require nothyng elles of Math. 15. vs at the day of iudgemēt / then the wor­kes Gene. 3. & of mercy / then shal ye priestes and mō kes Iob. 5. stande lyke foles which haue left their eares at the pylory.

Parson.

Thou hast hy [...] it wonders well / gette you to the furnace and warme you a lyt­tell, Luke. 10. doth Luther teache you suche thyn­ges?

shomaker.

No.

parson.

What holdest thou of Luther? I pray the tell me.

Shomaker.

I hold him for a Chrystē Doctour ād I thynk there hath not beē a better sens the Apostles tyme.

Parson.

What proffyt hath he done in the christen fayth?

Shomaker.
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Mary, fyrst, he hathe discouered and brought to lyght youre false doctryne, commaundementes, tradicions and Imagy­nacyons, and admonysshed and warned vs therof. Secondarely / he hath decla­red vs by scripture / that we shulde confes­se that we are all the bondmen of synne. Thyrdely / that Chryst alone is our sauy­our and redemer, of which two points the Rom. 5. whole scripture is full, wherby we learne 1. Cor. 1. to putt oure truste / hope and sayth onelye in Christe, which is a true and godly worke to saluacion, as Christ sayth Ioan. 6 And Christ sayth. Mat. 5. Let your lyght Iohan. 11. braste oute / and so shyne before the people / Math. 5. that they (seing your good workes) maye praise the father which is in heauen.

Parson.

Nedeth no worke therto?

Shomaker.

Paule sayth▪ ad Rom. 5. we hold it therfore, Roma. 5. that man is onelye made right wes through fayth, without the workes, & to the Romaynes in the last chapter. The Rom. vlt. tyghtuous shall lyue by fayth.

Parson.

Iames sayth in his. 2. chap. Fayth wt out Iacob. 2 [...]ood workes is dead.

Shomaker.
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A true Christen fayth can neuer be Idell but bryngeth alwayes good workes and frutes forth. For Chryst sayth / A good tree an brynge forth no euell frute, Math. 7. but such good workes ought not to be done for to meryte or deserue heauen ther­by / for Chryst hath merited and deserued it for vs, neyther for feare, and to a voyde the paynes of hell, for Chryst hath dely­ueryd vs therof, neyther for honour, for all honour sh [...]lbe geuen onely vnto God, as it is writen. But ye shall do them for Math. 4. loue, for a thankes geuyng to God, and to the helpe and profyt of your neyghbour.

parson.

If Luther be so ryghtuous and so good a doctour as you name hī to be, how cha [...] tet [...] it then that so fewe greate lords do cleaue and styck vnto his doctryne: Saue onely a heape of rude and vnlearned people?

Shomaker.

Pylate, Herode, Cayphas nor Annas, [...]leued not to Chryst nor yet the pharize­es, but the common people. Therfore Christ reioyced in spirite, ād sayd. Father I thanke you, that ye haue hydden these Luke. 10. thynges from the wyse of the world, & haue opened it to the lytle flocke.

Parson.
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What I saye the common people clea­ne least of all to Luther and hys doctrine.

Shomaker.

Your dulheaded and folyshe preachers are cause of that / whych without any scripture, crye and call, he is an heretyke / he is an heretike. But Chryste hath declared Math. 4. to the litell flocke. Go thoroughe the nar­rowe gate, for the gate is wyde and ye way is broade whyche leadeth to dampnation, and ther are many which walke in it, And ther are many called and fewe electe. Math. 22.

Parson.

Men do vse to speake suche wordes in tauernes, vpon the market, and elles wher lyke fooles, whych ought not to be spokē in suche places.

Shomaker.

Christ sayeth / what I saye to you in secret, that shall ye preache vppon the hou­se Math. 10: toppes.

parson.

If I shulde saye trueth. I holde Luther for the greateste heretyke, that euer was sence Arrius Tyme, and thou arte hys folower, and ther is no good in you, nether commeth theyr any good frō you / vnderstandeste thou that? The same ty­tell [Page] do I gyue both to Luther and to the [...]

Shomaker.

Veryly you haue hitte the prycke / fo [...] theyr is no man good but God only. Fo [...] oure nature is whole and all corrupte [...] Math. 14. vs, as it is wrytten. Genes. 8. The hart [...] of man is inclyned to euell / euen from hy [...] Gene. 8. youthe / whych dayly muste be mortifyed wyth the crosse, leaste it myght hinder th [...] spirite. For nature ceaseth not to seke that thynge wherunto it is inclined, all though the spyryte be made ryghtuous through [...] fayth. For it is wrytten Prouer. 24.

The ryghtuous falleth seuen tymes [...] the daye. Therfore do we daily praye. Forgiue Prou. 24. vs our trespaces Math. 6. and paule to the Rom. 7. The good which I wolde Math. 6. I do not / and the euell whiche I hate, I Rom. 7. do, ād after that speaketh he. O miserable man / who shall delyuer me from the body of death? Therwyth declareth he that w [...] are synners euen vnto death. But syr Do ruine / yf thou arte wyth out Synne, caste the fyrst stone vppon vs.

Parson.

Ye are all vn proffitable people, ye can prate very well / I truste ye shal shortly be Iohan. 8. knocked vppon your boanes, for I percea­ue there is none other remedye.

shomaker.
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What wolde you be in hande with the swerde? that apperteyneth not to the spy­ritual [...]e.

Parson

Hath not Christ Luce. 22. ordeyned two swerdes, one spirituall and an other temporall.

shomaker.

Chryst did forbydde Peter. Math. 26 and sayd he that striketh with the swerd [...] Math. 26. shall perysh with the swerde.

parson.

It helpeth not by other meanes, therfore must it be holpen / wyth a quicke punish­ment, for heresy hath in a maner taken ye vpperhande, therfore it is hygh tyme to stryke in the flocke.

Shomaker.

Oh, do not so, but rather follow the cō sell of Gamaliel / Actum in the 5. chapter. If the ddctryne be of God, ye can not for Actes. 5. bydde nor defend it, and if it be of menne, then shall it fall without any swerde / to the intent ye he not takē as one that wyll fyght agaynst God.

parson.

Ther shall come nothyng elles therof for this shalbe the ende.

Shomaker.
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Nowe, O lord of heauen, thy wyll be fulfylled. Math 6. The Discyple is not aboue hys master. H [...]ve the [...] persecuted Iohan. 15. me. they shal persecute you also / a [...]d h [...]ppy Luke. 6. are ys, when ye are hated / dysdayned and dispysed for my names sake.

parson.

Some shall then holde their peace, whych nowe do call and roare a lowde.

Shomaker.

He that confesseth me before the world him wyll I knowledge and confesse befo­re my heauenly father.

Parson.

Ye shall be handeled and serued lyke as heretikes ought to be serued.

shomaker.

Chryst sayth feare not thē whych may Math. 10. destroy the body only, but feare him which may destroy both body and soule. O lorde God, howe good is it to dye for thy names sake?

parson.

It were euen your iust rewarde / an here­tyke (after the third admonicion and warning) ought to be put to death.

shomaker.

But yow ought fyrste to proue or de­fyne [Page] vs to be heretikes, wyth the holy scripture.

parson.

That may we full easely [...]o.

Shomaker.

Then shall God require our bloude at youre hands / because you haue suffe­red vs, and the pore shepe of Chryst to ha­ue bene thus long seduced and ledde out­of the right way. And that you haue not resysted and disputed with so many prea­chers of this learning.

Parson.

It shal shortly come to passe, we haue taken our aduise and counsell vppon the matter.

Shomaker.

Yea, is that true indede? I perceaue ye do fulfyll the sayeng of Mat. And the Phariz [...]es went and helde a councel how Math. 22. they might trippe him in his wordes, and dyd send officers vnto him / with the offycers of Herode.

parson.

What elles? Thus ought the herety­kes to be serued.

Shomaker.

Oh, lorde. These true preachers wolde fayne bryng vs all to Chryste, no man [Page] excepted▪ And thow woldeste bringe both vs and thy selfe to the deuell. Thou wol­dest fayne that the Fyre of Heauen shulde fall on vs Luk. 9. Heare what Chryst fayeth. Luke. 9. Do ye not knowe what chylderen of spyrite ye are? The sonne of man is not come to destroy the soules of men, but to saue them. 2. Cori. 13. He hath geuen me power (saith he) not to destroy, but to amēd. 2. Cori. 13.

Parson.

What, I say, I wyll euen the same also.

shomaker.

Fyre and swerde serueth not therto, but the woorde of God Hebr. 4. Which is Hebre. 4. sherper then a two edged sworde. Ther­fore if thou arte of God, defende thy doc­trine and lawes with Gods word, which 1. Cor. 1. is the power of God. 1. Corinthi. 1.

Parson.

All thys helpeth you neuer a whytte.

Shomaker.

Ye bringe not Gods worde / ye seke not the honour of God, but your owne power honour, and Ryches, against whyche the worde of God speaketh, ād therfore do ye persecute it.

Parson.

Yea, thou pratest nothing elles, but to here a manne, when the harte is full, then [Page] [...]nneth the mouthe ouer. Luke. [...].

Shomaker.

I maye well lyken you / lyke as Christ lykeneth the chylderen syttyng in the markett place / criyng one to an other and say­ing. We haue pypes vnto you and ye haue Luk. 7. not daunsed. We haue mourned to you & ye haue not wepte. Euen so is it with you, If a man speake vnto you confortablye of the worde of God, then do ye deryde it. If a man do tell it you earnestlye / then are ye angry.

parson.

Although thow dyddest synge lyke [...] Larke / thowe shalt not make me other­wyse then I am.

Shomaker.

Youre harte is waxen harde and stony as kyng Pharao, Exodi. Rede from ye. 7. Chapter to the. 15. who n [...]ther regarded no wonder nor places. etc.

Parson.

Thou haddest almost hit the prycke.

Shomaker.

Me thynketh that thou arte lyke the false off yeer Luk. 6. What shall I do? the lorde wyll take the offyce from me, I can not dygge, and I am a shamed to begge. Euen that same feare ye spyrituall menne [Page] also no exhortacion nor admonishing can helpe.

parson.

No man commeth to me vnlesse my fa­ther drawe him, wyll you then conuert a man?

Shomaker.

Oh syr I loue to heare the same wordes with all my harte. It is written Iob 15. without me canst thou do nothing / and further thou haste not chosen me, but I haue chose the, therfore lyeth it not in our power, but it is God which must conuert vs. Which I do wysshe you all from the botome of my harte.

Parson.

When do they ryng in the church Katherin giue me my sirplys and tippet.

Katherin.

Well beloued master / go in pease, I hope all thinges shalbe well.

shomaker.

With the helpe of God, now peace be with you, beloued syr take no displeasure wyth me, but pardon me if I haue offen­ded you.

Parson.

God pardon and forgyue vs all our synnes.

shomaker.

Amen.

Parson.
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Beholde how quicke these lay men are in tellyng of their tale to vs which are [...]noynted. I thynke that the deuel of hell be patched and clouted in the sho. Skynne, he hath so stricken me vpon my brest pla­ [...]e / that if. I had not bene so depely lear­ned, he shuld haue made me ā asse, therfor he shall make no more shoes for me / but Hans zobell shall be my shomaker, for he [...]s a very symple man, and one that dothe not much reason of the scrypture / nor of [...]he Lutheryans heresy, which appertey­neth not to the laye people, nether becom­meth it them to dyspute with their soule­kepers, for Salomon sayth who soeuer walketh symply, walketh well. Ah, the sa­me saying ought I to haue layde to that dulheaded shomaker, peraduenture, he [...]huld haue had nothyng to say thervpon / [...]ut haue bene starke dome.

Katherin

Ah master, I feared greatly (when I sawe you coud not ouercome hym wyth scripture) that you shuld haue strycken hī vpon his pate with the slyppers.

Parson.

If I had not feared that an oproare [...]nyght haue rysen among the comens / I [Page] shuld verely haue layd the slippers in his face, so that neyther Paule no nor Christ hym selfe shuld haue swepte it from him in thre daies, for all that he trusteth so muche in them.

Katheryn.

I maruell greatly how it commeth that the say people are so learned.

Parson.

If thou wilt know it, I shall tell i [...] the. The cause is that the spiritualty is no more regarded. Here afore times did oure holy father the pope of Rome wyth his by [...]shops forbydde such heretikes as Luther is, according to the spirituall lawe and compelled them to recant, lyke Ioan hus was serued at constance. If men dyd now compell these preachers of the Gos­pell to holde theyr Peace, then shulde i [...] be as good as euer it was, and then shulde the spiritualty be honoured, but when we go aboute to cause them to holde their peace, then wyl they inmediatly dyspute with the pope and Bysshops, whiche is a thing that neuer was hearde in the worlde be­fore, that such vyle parsonnes shulde dys­pute with the moost holyest father whiche are not worthy to speke to his holmes, but it shall shortly take an ende. Although these preachers wyll not holde their pea­ce, [Page] they shall be compelled to holde theyre peace, for all that they lay Saynes Paul­les wryting before them / and though they had Paules swerde also, yet muste they lye doune and not so much as ones kycke, when it pleaseth ones the Holye Father of Rome, then must the laye people hol­de theyr peace also, and then shall we come to oure former worthynes and prystyne honour.

Katheryn.

Verily Syr It were very good, for every man dispiseth ād mocketh with you lyke the shomaker did euen now.

parson.

Hertofore shulde such one haue bene excommunicate, but nowe muste we both heare and learne of the laye People▪ lyke the pharisees did of Chryst, good katherin I pray the call Iohan our coke, he vseth much to rede in the Byble, perchaunce he shall declare the scrypture better then I [...] he must seke me some sentences out of the scripture.

Katheryn.

Iohan Iohan / come to my master.

Iohan.

Honorable syr what is your pleasure?

Parson.
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Our shomaker hath vexed me very lōg and hath shewed me much [...] out of the by­ble, lyke the maner of the Lutherians is / ye muste seke me oute some Chapter that I maye knowe yf he haue sayde ryghte or no, that I myght conui [...] hym [...]y scrip­ture.

The coke.

Ye ought with ryght to knowe it your selfe, for you haue longe holpen to examine the anointed.

To that we vse but the doctrine of scoles / and that which hath bene written and made by men and very lyttel the spirytual lawe, which the holy fathers haue conclu­ded in the councelles.

The coke.

It maketh no matter of that which the auncient fathers haue concluded in the cō [...]ell and what men (whiche are comme in afterward) haue written, when the same lawe doctrine and writtyng is not out of y woorde and spirite of God. For the Pro­phetes. Apostles and Euangelystes were men also.

Parson.

Ergo they myght also erre, but the Lutheryans wyll not beleue it.

The coke.
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No, for Peter sayth. 2. Petri in the fyrst 2. Petri. 1. Chapter. That to prophet in the scryp­ture hath any [...]y [...]ate interpre [...]acion. For the scrypture came neuer by wyll of man, but holye men of God spake as they were moued by [...]he holygost. The false prophetes, which bryng many euell sectes in that sign [...]fieth [...]en your spirituall es­tate, order, rule, and all the muincyons of men (without anye [...]rde of God) where with you daly go aboute.

Parson.

That is not spoken of vs, but of oure auncyent olde predecessours ano sorego­ [...]rs.

The coke.

O ye foles ād slouth in harte to beleue Luke. 24. all that the prophetes haue spoken.

Katheryn.

Harke Master, doth the cocke bydde you Crowe? ye wolde not suffer me to tell it you.

Parson.

O thou lowsy vyllayn, wilt thou now teach me? thou arte also one of Luthers knaues, get the out of the dores, ād come no more into my house, thou vnshamefast beast I coūcell it the for best.

Shomaker.
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Ha ha ha / I perceaue it greueth yo [...] yet / that the shomaker hath stopt so well your mouth, left it not be so greate won­der vnto you, for God suffred (in the ol­de Testament) sheapardes to declare hys worde, even so now must ye pharezees, ād shauelynges be taught of shomakers and robblers / yea the very stones [...]hall call it in to your eares: fareye well syr domine.

Katheryn.

I maruayle that you can take the payne to speake to such Rude beasts, they neyther regarde you nor yet your holy oynt­ment.

Parso [...].

I shall kepe me from him well inough, thow wycked and excommunycate kna­ue take hede of thy fyre / nowe I wyll go to the Church, and go you [...]o the Market and buye vs a dosen of good quayles / for the chapleyn of my most reuerende Lor­de the bysshoppe shall dyne here wyth mo­re other gentlemen, we wyll kepe a ban­ket, now Carye the byble out of the par­lour, and loke if the dyse are in the tables▪ and prouide vs of a fayre payre of cardes or two.

Katherin.

It shalbe done, Syr, wyll ye come home [Page] anone after the procession be done▪

Parson.

Yea, loke the meate be ready.

Katheryn.

yea forsothe Syr

Amen.

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