THE HOPE of Peace.

By laying open such doubts and manifest vntruthes as are divulged by the Arch-priest in his Letter or Answere to the Bookes which were published by the Priestes.

Zacha. 8.

Veritatem tantum & pacem diligite.

Loue truth onely and Peace.
[printer's device(?) of a griffin seated upon a book]

Imprinted at Franckford by the heires of D. Turner. 1601.

The Preface.

TWo Bookes haue beene lately set foorth by the Priests in the necessa­ry defence of their good name and fame, which were & are to this day so irreuerently plaid vpō, as people of all professions, fooles and physi­tions make vp their morning and euening meditations with the most vnciuill termes, which they may deuise against them. How sottish would that Cobler haue beene accounted in these daies, who, being controlde by a Painter for presu­ming to giue his iudgement of a Picture aboue the shooe, departed quietly, and would not once replie vpon Ne sutor vltra crepidam? Tractant Fabrilia Fabri was the olde saying, euerie man was to attend that which belonged to his Trade, but the age is now re­turned in which S. Hierome liued, and of which he vsed this saying, Scribimus indocti docti (que) poemata pas­sim. Dist. 19. can. nulli fas. The Iesuites might haue plaid with their Canon vpon such as resisted the Apostolicall Decrees, and without blame haue made a breach, yea and vtterly haue ruinated those whom in such cause they should assault; but to disturbe and infect the aire which hath giuen them life with this breath; Hearken ô ye facti­ous, ye are Rebels, ye are Schismatikes, ye are excom­municated persons, Irregular, no better then Sooth-sayers [Page 2] and Idolators, and as Ethnickes and Publicans was neither commendable in such as make shewe to immitate Iesus, nor euer will be iustifiable against those Priests, who at the sight of the Breue gaue an inuincible argument of their obedience to Aposto­licall decrees, and haue a long time aduentured their liues for the dignitie of the Sea Apostolike as farre as the Iesuites haue for anie matter whatsoeuer. Other who either immediately, or by others haue a depen­dance of the Iesuits, some for want of other inuētiō, some to keepe their tongues in vre, some to trie who can vtter the most despitefull speeches against those Priestes to whom perchaunce they haue beene most bounde, some to winne all to goe one way (which they may and do full euil) must follow their dam, and crow after kinde, least their spirituall guides and grand-fathers should abandō them as a misbegotten brood. And while they all euerie one at his Qu play their parts, as shrewd boyes, while they byte kick and scratch, crie that they cannot be let alone, they make a great shewe as though they would most gladly em­brace a peace. F. Garnet the head of the Iesuites here in England solliciteth some to be a meane for peace, but with such condition, as no satisfaction be talked on for the clamorous speeches before rehearsed, and what hath vpon them ensued to manie, who haue with the best deserued of Gods Church and a fresh offer of some things most seriously promised at the first attonement, and not as yet performed. At the same time flie Letters like Bats, and are shewed in se­ret to such as haue no list but to lie still in a grosse [Page 3] and affected ignorance, which manner of carriage what else could it portend other thē a defect of truth, largenesse of conscience, a fresh alarum to farther tu­mults? and if F. Garnet the Superiour of the Iesuites were of counsel thervnto, smal is his sinceritie (what­soeuer his charitie is) which hee pretendeth in his mock-offer of peace. The presumption that he was of counsell to these Letters of M. Blackwell is groun­ded vpō M. Blackwels instructions, where after a com­maundement of vnitie betweene the Priests and the Iesuites, the Archpriest is willed to seeke the iudge­ment and counsell of the Superiour of the Iesuites in the greater matters, Curabit Archipresbiter in rebus maioribus iudicium quoque eius consiliumque acquirere; great follie it were to shut this Letter of the Arch­priests from his matters of great weight, being an answere to seditious Bookes (as hee termeth them) and such as may bring great hurt to the Church of God, and cōsequently an endangering of the Arch­priest to say that he did not take the aduice and coun­sell of the Prouinciall of the Iesuites herein (especial­ly the Bookes concerning them as much as him) F. Lister being alwayes readie with his Canon. Nulli fas est vel velle vel posse transgredi Apostolicae sedis praecepta, It is not lawfull for any to be willing or able to transgresse the precepts of the Sea Apostolicke. With the which he, his fellow Iesuites, and the Archpriest also are perswaded that the Priestes are shaken, yea & brought to vtter ruine. These Letters of the Arch­priest while we shal take the paines to answere for the instruction of such as either vpon their owne igno­rance [Page 4] haue erred, or by the double diligence of o­thers haue bene misled, and shewe how we are dealt withall by the one, while an offer of a mock-peace is tendered by the other, we craue no other then indif­ferencie in the Christian Reader, and nothing doubt but to discouer the drift both of him who dissem­bleth not himselfe or his intentions, and also of the other who to colour his owne and his fellowes mis­demeanours in this matter (as if hee were no partie, much lesse the principall maintainer of this faction against vs) pretendeth to be a stickler betweene the Archpriest and vs.

Yours in all true hartie affection I. B.

The Copie of M. Blackwell his Letter.

My verie Reuerend, and verie louing Assistants.

TO my great sorrow, two Bookes haue bene set out, by our deare Brethren, whom all you loue in the bowels of Christ, and whō I haue sought by all Fatherly meanes to winne and reduce to vnitie, great reason it had bin, that a thing propoun­ded to the Pope his holines, should not with so great scandall of our cause, and ioy of our aduersaries, haue first bene divulged to all sortes of people, before it could possibly come to his sight & censure, and per­happes neuer ment to be presented to him, although meanes must be made by me, that it may come to his reading, and the view thereof will grieue him much, because he loueth, and euery where desireth peace.

It cannot be liked of, that we should write one a­gainst an other, and therefore no other answere shall be sent now then this. And my desire is, that all good Catholiques, according to their duties, do thinke well of their Superiours, and if they haue any doubt, do suspend their iudgements vntil they heare the full deciding of the cause, for herein is touched the credit of all Superiours in the world.

The principall points they touch are these.

  • 1 The diuision at Wisbitch.
  • 2 The sedition of the Colledge at Rome, and the gouernment of their Semina­ries.
  • 3 The institution of our authoritie.
  • 4 The censuring them of schisme.
  • 5 The vsage of the two Agēts they sent to Rome.
  • 6 The decrees I made, and the executi­on of them.

1 The first point was a thing being since ended with great edification, and by the meanes principal­ly of these, which are most condemned.

It concerneth authoritie, it being more auncient, and hauing orders taken at the attonement by their owne consent. It is well knowne at Rome by whose meanes they were disanulled, neither was it more vnfitting for those which liued in one house to mis­like rules for such as voluntarily demaunded and ac­cepted them, then to procure a sodalitie abroad.

2 The second point concerneth the Superiours there, whose authoritie is most greeuously, and most daungerously contemned, who had the hearing of the causes, and by great reason ought to make orders for the Seminaries, which they that complaine ne­uer built.

3 The third point is cleare by his holines Breue, [Page 7] and no lesse could be done, then to accept the autho­ritie, and to accept it when it came at the first. For I haue desired to obey, and I signified then how vnfit I was to haue so great a charge, and am euer readie to depose it for the loue of God, and the profite of his Church, vpon the least knowledge of my Superiours will and commaundement: for my delight is not so much in it, as these authours do affirme, neither was it published at any time with vntruthes nor by anie such vnseemly meanes, which might giue shewe of anie litle ostentation.

4 The matter of Schisme was according to my o­pinion which now I retaine, yet with submission to holie Church, what I shewed them was done in cha­ritie for their better instruction and speedie reforma­tion, which also was sent them by mee in secret, and therein no particular person was named, It was but an arbytrarie matter discussed among the learned which bringeth no losse of credite to either part, I gaue them all expresse libertie to thinke what they would heerein, for it is but a matter of opinion, and therefore not worthie to make a matter of contenti­on, which part soeuer was true. I sought by learned discourses and censures not so much the forwardnes of my opinion as of their amendment. What I sent them to view was in maner of a Fatherly admoniti­on, and not to stirre vp or to feede a further discenti­on. Our endeuours were for peace, our allowance for our paines is their contentious and verie scandalous behauiours, for which they can haue no excuse after three diuers Letters of the Protector our superiour: [Page 8] and not Protector onely of the Colledge,Nauar con­cil. 1. de offic. Iudic. deleg. Iacobus Stroozzeus ab vrc. de of­ficio vicar. Epi. qui dicit esse comu­nem. as they say, For before anie Seminary was, we had a Protec­tor of England, whose Letters Pattents according to the best Canonists, were to be credited & were to be receiued verie obediently.

An attonement was made by which I hoped all variance had bin appeased, what was said afterwards or done by me, was done vpon their prouocation, for cease they would not to write, to speake, to exact sa­tisfaction, and to publish vntruths of vs contrarie to the order which I had prescribed, wherevpon I was enforced to write a large Latine admonition to one of them, and to an other an English Letter, to gaine a staie of wronges, which were offered mee about the matter of schisme.

5 For the vsage of the two Agents sent to Rome, concerneth the Pope & the two Cardinalls, and the Fiscall of the reformation ordeined by his holinesse who were priuie to all, and as one of these Cardinals appointed Iudges not long since haue written, they were Interpretes voluntatis Papae, & non solum iudices, If anie inferiour were culpable herein, meete it were to complaine priuately to our Superiours, and not with great scandall to offend all Christendome.

6 My decrees were necessarie, for they containe nothing but prohibition of things otherwise vnlaw­full and partly also forbidden by Cardinall Caietane, and the euent sheweth how necessary they were, and the cause of their paines inflicted (ipso facto) was be­cause scandals and seditions could not be preuented, for heere I cannot well haue the vse of forum conten­tiosum, [Page 9] neither could I cite or produce witnesses, nor conueniently meete with euerie one post factum, And surely my censures haue done good not to a fewe.

As for the execution of them since the appeale, I proceed vpon other causes then vpon the appeale, which doth not (as they imagine) take away autho­ritie, but only if it be of validitie, deuolueth the cau­ses their specified to the Sea Apostolicke, If I require submission, an oath of obedience, of such as haue spread abroad such greeuous complaints against me, it is but a slender satisfactiō for such iniuries and not more then all vse now to do at their first mission, how much more where there was transgressiō is so much to be looked for.

And here I am to warne all to consider what hurt may come to the Church of God by these seditious bookes, and therefore desire all to be dutifull in their censure, and carefull to hinder the divulging of such bookes now being expected, and to be industrious in notefying vnto all the truth.

The points cōteined confute themselues, though to my griefe they discouer ouermuch passion.

And whereas diuers of these whose names were subscribed to the appeale haue denied that euer they were priuie to it, and I doubt not the most part of the same neuer knew of any such slaunderous writing, These shall be to exhort them to signifie so much to my selfe or else by writing or in person to some of my Assistants, and they shall haue me most readie to giue them all manner of comfort, and so I desire you to haue a great care to compose all these contentions [Page 10] and procure peace and by all faire meanes to recouer such as by infirmitie haue erred. The times are daun­gerous and enemies are watchfull, many are scanda­lized, the increase of Catholicke Religion is hinde­red, God is offended with these contentious procee­dings, and therefore let vs seeke after peace.

Surely, happie we shall be & blessed, for this our so godly a labour, blessed are the peace-makers, for they shall be called the sonnes of God, to whose pro­tection I commend you all, humbly desiring you to to pray for me, and so I take my leaue, this 23. of Iune. 1601.

G. B. Archpriest. Angl. Pronot. Apostolicus.

IN these Letters of the Archpriest are so many, and daungerous rockes against which not altogether sencelesse people waste themselues, as it cannot be deemed a labor blame-worthie so to discouer them, as such as will may perceiue them before their case become desperate. Let his fatherlie loue, and care of his deare brethren (as he termeth vs) be measured by his carriage toward vs. For our maintaining of our selues not to be schismatikes (a matter of opinion not worthie (as here in his answere to the fourth point he confesseth) to make a matter of contention which part soeuer was true), how many hath he suspended, bereaued of their faculties, yea and interdicted, for which he hath no colour to shew anie authoritie but those words in the Cardinals first Letters Post debitas admonitiones ac reprehensiones fraterna charitate praemis­sas liceat etiam paenis coercere Ecclesiasticis, It shall be law­full for you after due admonition & warning in brotherly chari­tie to punish with Ecclesiasticall penalties. Which sentence is presently limited by the words immediatly follow­ing, Oblatione nimirum facultatum vel suspensione, By ta­king away faculties or suspending? How many haue here­vpon bene disturbed out of their places of residence? how many cleane abandoned of their friends? how many haue bene laid open to most wicked detracti­ous tongues? how many in daunger to perish by fa­mine hauing no other meanes to liue thē by the cha­ritie of such as to whom they do minister the Sacra­ments? and for what? for maintaining an opinion which were it true or false were no matter worthie to make contention as M. Blackwell here confesseth. [Page 12] Quis ex vobis patrem petit panē nūquid lapidem dabit illi, Luk. 11. &c. If any of you (saith our Sauiour) asketh bread of his father, will he giue him a stone? Or if he aske him for fish, in place of a fish will he giue him a serpent? Or if he shall aske for an egge, will he reach him a scorpion? If no father would doo this, how dooth M. Blackwell say that hee hath sought by all fatherly meanes to win and reduce vs to vnitie, hauing sought by the aforesaid meanes to driue vs to say against our owne soules that we were schismatikes, and to suffer others without any con­tradiction to lay it euery day in our teeth, for defen­ding that which (as himselfe here confesseth) was not worthy to make a matter of contention, which part soeuer was true?

But to come to that which he thinketh great rea­son, that is, that a thing propounded to the Pope his holinesse, should not first haue bin divulged to all sorts of people, before it could possibly come to his sight, and censure. What if this were so litle against reason, as the contrary had bene great folly? for who knoweth not, that the Iesuites do lie so in waight to intercept what passeth too and fro, that a small Letter can hardly and that very seldome escape them? how then should this booke by any secret cōueyance so­euer haue gone without danger of being at their de­uotions, before it could come to the Pope his viewe and censure? It might therefore with great reason haue bene at the first propounded to all sorts of peo­ple, that thereby some one Copie or other might come to his holinesse his view; and if this course had beene taken in the divulging of these bookes, what [Page 13] reason hath M. Blackwell to say that perhaps it was neuer meant to be shewed to his holinesse? Could the Priests be so foolish in M. Blackwells conceit, that they would make a discourse of their miseries with petition to be relieued by his holinesse, dedicate the booke vnto him, and publish it in that maner, and ne­uer meane that it should bee presented vnto him? how could M. Blackwell frame his imaginatiō to this, who could not but knowe long since, that of the 10. which were sent ouer for Rome, some of his friendes tooke the tythe where it was not due? What if that booke which M. Blackwell or his friend seised on were the booke that was meant to haue bene presen­ted to the Pope, who were they then that perhaps neuer meant the booke should be presented to him? But the other 9. being safely deliuered, as long since we vnderstood from Paris whether they were sent, perhaps his holinesse hath had the view of one; and if M. Blackwel do know any thing to the contrary, we will yeeld him most heartie thankes to make the meanes to haue it come to his holinesse his reading, for we doo assure him and all other who haue made doubt thereof, that it is our speeciall desire, as in time it will wel be seene, and the more griefe his holinesse shall take thereat, the lesse thankes will they haue who haue so long a time deluded him with false in­formations, and no doubt will prouide in some bet­ter sort for a true and vnfeined peace to continue a­mong vs. And therefore feare we the lesse that here­by wee may bee charged to giue any scandall to our friends, or ioy to our aduersaries, no man beeing to [Page 14] be accounted a friend which should take offence where no cause is giuen, or esteemed our aduersarie who would ioy at our good, or the furtherance of a­ny honest cause, how contrary soeuer he may bee to truth in some other kinde. Praeceptor vidimus quendā in nomine tuo eijcientem daemonia, &c. Maister (saith Saint Iohn to our Sauiour,Luk. 9.) we sawe one cast out diuels in thy name and we forbid him it because he is not of our com­pany, and Iesus said vnto him, doo not forbid him, for he who is not against you is with you. Shall we then call them ad­uersaries, who shall reioyce at their reliefe, who are vniustly oppressed, and not rather pray vt iustificentur adhuc and thinke our selues much bound vnto them, whosoeuer they be who shall fauour or further vs in our iust cause? It cannot be liked of (saith M. Black­well) that we should write one against an other. How shall wee conster this? was not and vnto this day is not the Iesuits libell against the Priests liked, where­in the Priests are called Rebells, Schismatikes, fallen from the Church and spouse of Christ, excommu­nicated, irregular, infamous, disobedient to Christ and his Vicar, factious, nothing better then south­sayers, and Idollaters, as Ethnicks and Publicans? Dooth not M. Blackwell in his answere to the fourth point heere write abroad that he retaineth his opini­on still that we were schismatikes, and commendeth this rayling Libell of the Iesuits for a learned dis­course, and censure? And can the purging of vs Ca­tholique Priests from these wicked defamations (be­ing bound therevnto both for the defence of our good names, which vnlesse we will be accounted [Page 15] cruell to our [...]e [...], we cannot let lie bleeding to the death, & for their comfort whose soules haue a long time bin vnder our charge) be disliked by any honest man? Is it to be thought that Gods cause can suffer dishonour in any course, which is necessarie for the recouery of his Priests their honour, and doth he not well deserue to be robbed of all that he hath, yea and basted vntill all his bones do rattell in his skinne who vpon enuie that an aduersary should ioy, would omit a necessarie defence for his own reliefe? would there not be as many houters as hearers of one perswading an other rather to let a third take away all his landes and goods then bring it to a publike triall vnder co­lour of a thing not to be liked that one should plead openly against an other? would theeues desire to meete with better copesmates when they would en­rich themselues, or refuse a triall where such Iudges should sit vpon the bench? It falleth out many times that with lesse daunger a man may take a Beare by the tooth then awake a sleeping dogge. Had not o­ther meanes bene before in vaine attempted for the remedie of what we haue felt, or were not the pre­sent extremities ouer great into whiche wee are brought by the trump of euerie loose tongue where before they were possessed with this spirite butter would not haue melted, we might haue bin blamed for our publishing in this sort & laying open thereby to the whole worlde who they are that disturbe the peace, which ought to haue bene mainteined amōg vs. And if any doubt hereof shal grow in any, our de­sire is, as also M. Blackwell desireth, that all do thinke [Page 16] well of their superiors, and suspend their iudgements vntil they heare the ful deciding of the cause, which, howsoeuer the desire of some be therein satisfied, is not to withdrawe their charitie from the reliefe of Priests who want, for this is not to suspēd their iudg­ment, but their charitie, and not only to iudge but to punish also, much lesse do they suspend their iudge­ments who turne Priests out of their housen, or ex­claime day and night against them, shut them from the seruice of God, and diuide themselues frō them and their Catholike friends in praier and communi­cation of Sacraments vpon an opiniō which was not worthie to make a matter of contention, which part were true as M. Blackwel affirmeth in his answere here to the fourth point. I wish the ignorance were such as it might excuse, but I feare it is too much affected, where vnder pretence of obedience it must not be seen where superiors haue not done so well as they might haue done, and how those who are condemned ge­nerally as disobedient & factious against their supe­riours haue behaued themselues in all dutifull man­ner to all superiors, which they knew, and how farre they were bounde to shewe obedience. And if the Priests haue bene compelled to this hard choyce as either they must sustaine infinite iniuries, and oblo­quies, or redeeme themselues in this sort from so vn­deserued an oppression, no superiour in the world can iustly finde himselfe touched in credit, but such whom the Apostle calleth Principes & potestates mun­di rectores tenebrarum harum. Ephes. 6.

M. Archpriest gathereth sixe principall points [Page 17] which he saith are touched, and maketh answere to euery one in order as he putteth them downe.

1.

The first is the diuision at Wisbich, to which hee saith that it was long since ended with great aedifica­tion, and by the meanes principally of those, which are most condemned. But he doth neither name the parties, nor giue to vnderstand who they are which condemne them. He vsed silence perchaunce in this, because he must haue named either those whom he would not, or those whom he should not; for it is so well knowne as none without great want of mode­stie can deny that M. Iohn Mush and M. Richard Dudly two Priests now condemned by the Archpriest Ie­suites and their adherents came out of the North to their great paines, and charge to Wisbich, and from thence to London, where after that they had bene of­ten mocked by the head of the Iesuites, at the last with maruellous importunitie wroong from him certaine Letters to his fellow Iesuites at Wisbich, vp­on the sight whereof there was a peace made, such as it was, it might haue bene much better, and speedier (as by this it seemeth) if it had before so pleased the head of the Iesuites to haue enterposed himselfe as charitie would he should haue done, the head of the Faction at Wisbich being at his commaund, and one who rather then so great a scandall should haue risen for his cause should haue suffered himselfe to haue bin cast ouer the Castle wall, which in those tumults hee affirmed some would doo rather then the mat­ter of his preferment ouer all the secular Priests there and fellow prisoners should not goe forward. At an [Page 18] other time M. Alb. Dolman should haue made peace, but the Iesuite who should haue bene the Superiour there vnder the tytle of an Agent vnderstanding of some cōditiōs, which he liked not, a litle before that all should haue bene cōcluded found the meanes to rid him away. And I do verily thinke that there are fewe who thinke, and none who know that the diui­siō is as yet ended, which is no great aedificatiō, God pardon them who are the cause thereof. And most vnworthily are those scandalous proceedings at Wis­bich compared with the sodalitie which was to be procured abroad. For the first foundation of them vvere detractious, & infamous speeches against such as in all times among Christians haue bene had in great reuerence, & their faults (if they had any) vvere concealed, not published abroad to the vvorld, much lesse vvas it liked that any should be falsly obiected a­gainst them, for no such course vvas iudged in those dayes to stand vvith the glory of God. The drift of those proceedings vvas to make a Iesuite Superiour ouer the secular Priests, or to maintaine that scanda­lous diuision which hath euen to this day followed theron, vpon some other ground doubtlesse thē that which their fauourites doo most seriously vrge, to wit that some of that societie haue bene the maisters or trainers vp of some of the secular Priests beyond the seas, for by this argument euery one whosoeuer is no Schoolemaister or trayner vp of youth, yea all Princes must yeeld themselues to be vnder the go­uernmēt not only of those who were sometime their Schoolemaisters, but of euery pettie Schoolemaister [Page 19] because once they haue bene trained vp by some of that professiō; and such as haue much greater know­ledge, & facility in teaching or training must humble thēselues to euery Punie because they thēselues had once maisters of that profession of which this Punie is: & perchance no lesse absurditie thē this was that in Wisbich, when many graue, wise, and learned men were to become subiect to a Iesuite, because forsooth (as these fauourites of the Iesuits alledge) the Iesuits haue the bringing vp of some Priests beyōd the seas. The sodalitie which was to be procured abroad was for such as voluntarily would ioyne themselues to liue vnder rules, and superiors to be chosen by them­selues with the priuitie of his holinesse, and without any schisme or faction against those who would not be of the Sodalitie. So that the difference was very great betweene the humour of the Iesuites in that diuision at Wisbich, and the peaceable endeuours of the Priests abroad, to which the Iesuites hauing no very good liking, laboured to effect what before they had missed with a peece of more cunning, and by si­nister meanes procured a superiour ouer the Priests, who vpō peril of being euery day to be put downe, must like whatsoeuer they should lay before him, and in the mean while they must be of his priuy coū ­cell in matters of greatest waight, and allow of none but such as are devoted vnto them for his ordinarie assistants.

2.

The second poynt concerneth the superiours there, whose authoritie (he saith) is most grieuously, and most dangerously contemned: hee might iust­ly [Page 20] be accounted wise who should diuine a right that which is meant hereby. There haue beene as many visitations on the behalfe of the Students, as of the Iesuites; and as for the superiours, I haue seene a Let­ter of Fa. Parsons own penning, dated the 5. of April 1599. wherein he saith that perhaps some one mans actions in the gouernmēt of the Colledge at Rome, in some certaine points were not so much to Cardi­nal Allane his liking, and without perhaps the orders, which were misliked, were by F. Par. contrary to his owne promise brought into the Seminary of Rome; where indeed there are new buildings but they were not at the charge of the Iesuites, but of the Colledge, and if it be richer in chābers, it is poorer in vineyards, and in this new building there are very few more thē halfe so manie students as were before the new buil­dings were erected, and these fewe are so straungely diuided, and debarred each others comfort, as how­soeuer the Iesuites gaine therby, or ioy therat them­selues, the students may iustly say vnto them for all this great boast of buildings, Nec multiplicastis gentem nec magnificastis laetitiam. That Colledge was first an Hospitall founded by our Princes for the reliefe of such as went on pilgrimage to those holie places, af­terward it was endewed with an Abbacie by Pope Gregorie of happie memorie the 13. of that name, and Doctor Lewis Bishop of Cassana bore the name to be the erector of it as a Colledge, as Cardinal Allane did of the Colledge at Rhemes now translated to Doway: and no dispraise to anie, those two Seminaries and their founders were those who brought England to [Page 21] that passe, that as wel the Laitie as the Cleargie ther­of were admired throughout all Christendome for their fortitude in Gods cause and faithfulnesse in all their temporall affaires. And it is well knowne that these two were of those who complained. The one at the verie first beginning as one well acquainted with the Iesuites courses, and had serued that mirror of pietie and wisedome Cardinall Boromeo Archbi­shop of Millane, who discharged them of the gouern­ment of his Seminaries. The other somewhat with the latest, but yet in such sort as Doctor Haddock who pretendeth that he was the Cardinals Nephew mo­ued in spirit after the Cardinalls death writ vnto a worshipfull Knight in Spaine these words to my re­membrance, Profecto bene mortuus est si enim vixisset & sibi & patriae suae maximū dedecus peperisset. He is dead in a good time, for if he had liued he had most greatly dishonoured himselfe and his Country. And why mast. Doctor? for­sooth he was carried away against the Iesuites by his Nephew M. Hesket, M. Throckmorton, M. Fitzherbert, & all the Gentlemen of our nation who were then at Rome, but especially by my Lord of Cassana through whose meanes M. Doctor Haddock was discarded, as one that was factious against the students in the be­halfe of the Iesuites, and lost thereby as he said him­selfe a Nephewes part, which he had bene promised often by the Cardinall and he most certainly expec­ted. The Seminaries in Spaine haue bene builded by the Iesuites meanes with no small summes of mony, which perchance would haue bene much better and with far more merit imployed in the reliefe of poore [Page 22] afflicted Catholikes as well of the Laitie, as the Cler­gie, who liued in exile, either in Colledges, which for want were many times in ieopardie to haue bene dissolued, or elsewhere abroad and famished, but the yce was broken, and the way made by secular Priests before any Iesuites attempted it, as in all honest mat­ters it fareth, & F. Parsons entered into their worke, and brought it indeed to this passe at which now it is by making the students do that of which since they repent themselues and he hath no great cause to glo­rie in, as the subscribing to the title of the Infant, and what else hee would, hauing gotten their names to three seuerall blankes. But these Priests, who were in this sort the founders of the Seminaries in Spaine, al­though not the storers for lyme and stone, were kno­wen very well to haue bene of those who did com­plaine whē they liued, and the suruiuer is to this day one of them who do complaine. Neither is this to discouer more then needeth (although no doubt it be more then the Iesuites and their fauourites would haue talked abroad the matter is so honest) for what Letters are written, and published by them in all pla­ces wherein themselues and their associates to winne English Catholickes insert not their building of Se­minaries, which the Catholickes might haue built with more ease & lesse charge, if they consider what they are put to by reason of those plots, by which the Seminaries haue bene built, and the often attempts made against our Countrey vpon the foolish hopes, which some haue had vpon those plots? some like­wise take exceptions that these matters are touched [Page 23] somewhat in the censure vpon F. Parsons Letter, but they consider not that F. Parsons draue vs to it by lay­ing to our charge, that we were not so much hated of the Councell of England as the Iesuites, and Arch­priest. His guiltie conscience gaue him what he and his associates had deserued, although he thought it pollicie to conceale the cause thereof, and to leaue such an obloquie (as it could not be taken for other) to euery man to scan theron, and to seeke some cause for that, which if they would they might see daily was voyd of all truth, the greatest part without com­parison of those who suffered hauing beene such as were not of the faction of the Iesuites, and shall we be blamed if we solue those aenigmes which F. Par­sons, and his fellowes needlesly propose against vs, and leaue to the worst sence which may be made of them?

3.

The third point he saith is cleare by his holinesse Breue. Who calleth this in question? or how doth this prooue that no lesse could be done thē to accept the authoritie, and to accept it when it came at the first, which was a whole year before the Breue came, and without not only a confirmation from his holi­nesse, but also without sufficient testimony to binde vs to accept thereof being to so great a preiudice to many, in which case a Cardinals testimony doth not binde any to beleeue that which is affirmed by him, much lesse if it euidently containe falshood, and sup­pose nothing else but falshood for the foundation? But neither was it so cleare perchance as he thinketh, for a Breue may come from diuers places, and be cal­led [Page 24] an Apostolicall Breue, and his holinesse no w [...]t acquainted therewith, and there was no small cause to suspect so much of this, not only for that it was a confirmation of a thing done vpon so false a suggesti­on (to wit a diuision betweene the Seminary Priests in England and the Catholickes) as the contrary might very easily haue bene knowne if any but vn­honest men had bene asked the question, but also for that it is a confirmation of certaine Letters Patents which we neuer sawe, although the Archpriest hath shewed two seuerall Letters (if our memories faile vs not) of the institution of his authoritie. For this Breue is a confirmation of certaine Letters Patents by which M. George Blackwell is deputed by the Car­dinall Caietane an Archpriest of English Catholikes, for the better gouernment and vnion of the Catho­liques of the kingdomes of England and Scotland: and those Letters which M. Blackwell did obey so readily did onely depute him Arch-priest of the Seminary Priests which are or shall be in England and Scotland, for remedy of a dissentiō suggested to be between the Seminary Priests & Catholikes in England, wherein who will may perceiue a very great difference. But to returne to M. Blackwell his acknowledging him­self how vnfit he was to haue so great a charge, or his readinesse to depose it for the loue of God, no man is to enter into his inward motions, but doubtlesse he did not long after taunt those Priestes, who were a­bout the procuring of the sodallitie, of which wee spake before, and in a triumphing maner writ abroad that theyr endeuours were by this his authoritie [Page 25] brought to ruine. We could also prooue that those Letters of the Cardinals were not warme in his hāds before hee thought vpon the vse of his authoritie a­gainst some in particular: yea & other who were ap­pointed to be of his priuie councell letted not to vt­ter at that time that there were such courses to be ta­ken against some, that they doubted whether they would continue Catholique. M. Blackwell addeth here also that his authoritie was not published at any time with vntruths. In the Bookes printed, and sent abroad, it is said that he did not only publish his au­thoritie with vntruthes, but being taken in the maner confessed as much, and that M. Collington and M. Charnocke are readie to iustifie it before God, and the world vpon their oaths. And if they were both dead his owne Letters of the 2. of March following will proue it euidently enough, in which he hath these words.

‘Lastly you quarrell against the Archpresbyter, and gladly you would bruse his credit vpon the roaring noyse of an angrie man, clouded in his vnderstanding, if not cloyed about his hart with two many fumes of ambition. Vpon his detractiue infor­matiō you publish that ye Archpresbyter should report that he had authoritie to excommunicate & to commaund to the Court of Rome, which now vpō better scanning his authoritie he goes from. Againe shewing his instructions said they were made at Rome, and by the contents being conuinced they were made in England, could not denie it. Sir, the Archpresbyter hath to doo about excommunications, and the sending to the court of Rome: for by his Commission he is charged to specifie all suche rebelli­ons and contumacies as are too familiar with you, if they can­not be suppressed with his authoritie at home, and to intimate the same to the Lord Protector his grace, and so by his meanes [Page 26] to procure excommunication or the sending for to Rome for the redresse of such licentiousnesse. And for the particular instructi­ons he neuer said they were all made at Rome, but that his in­structions made at Rome gaue him authoritie to set downe rules about all particular matters, and cases of such qualitie. And so those instructions which troubled the eares of your surly, and froward Father, may be saide in respect of their authoritie to haue proceeded from Rome. And thus the Archpresbyter whose name you put downe in plaine Letters, that euery bodie might view how you haue graced him, Ipse liberatus est a laqueo ve­nantium & a verbo aspero, he hath auoyded your snare, and the sharpnesse of your slaunderous spéech. The iniquitie of proud persons hath bene multiplied ouer him, but he hoping in our Lord hath not bene weakened.’ Thus farre M. Blackwell.

How many orders hath M. Blackwell taken at Rome, when he hath taken seuen by authoritie from Rome? Some instructions are confessed to haue bene shew­ed which were not made at Rome any otherwise then M. Blackwell may be said to haue bene made Priest at Rome, or else what were those which troubled the eares of the surly, and froward Father, and were then absolutely proposed among others as instructions annexed to his Commissiō, but so palpably inserted, as he confessed that they were of his owne, notwith­standing he pretended to shew such as the Commis­sion spake of to be annexed vnto it? at that time this shift was not deuised, that he had authoritie frō Rome to make rules, and therefore might propose what he would, and say it was made at Rome. But the plaudite in the end with a Psalme might haue bene vsed vpon some greater victorie then this poore shift was, that instructions might be said to haue bin made at Rome, [Page 27] because they might be said to haue bin made by au­thoritie which came from Rome, and that the Arch­priest could excommunicate, because he could write to those who could. But to say the truth what but vn­truth is to be expected in the maintenance of that, which was begotten, bred, brought forth and nursed with vntruth? M. Iames Standish a secular Priest in shewe, a Iesuit by promise, went as a secular Priest in the name of the secular Priests who neuer sent him, and dealt with his holines in this matter, fayning the consent of the secular Priests thereto, which after his returne in the hearing of diuers Priestes, he said was but an interpretatiue consent, and that he presumed that they would giue their cōsent. The matter being thus broached, as false a suggestion was made for the furtherance thereof, to wit, a dangerous and scanda­lous diuision in Englande among the Seminarie Priests and Catholickes (as it is euidently to be seene in the Cardinall Caietanes Letters to M. Blackwell). The maner how it was proposed, is in some part shewed before, and the poore shifts which were af­terward made to salue the vntruthes then vsed. What false aduisoes were sent into England by Fa. Parsons and M. Mar. Array about the handling thereof at Rome are discouered in the English booke; to which one more may bee added to shewe how in all places the surest Anker of these proceedings hath beene falshood. Fa. William Baldwin among other aduisoes which hee sent from Flaunders to Paris, 25. Februa. 1599. writ to his friend that the two Priests first re­quested that there might bee no subordination. A [Page 28] pretie conceit when all their Letters which they car­ried with them to his holinesse demaunded a subor­dination. Secondly, that if needs there must bee a subordination, then some one which fauoured them might be created Bishop; for which they named D. Gifford, Bagshaw, Collington, or Bishop. Is it likely that M. Bishop would name himselfe to bee made a Bi­shop? Fa. Parsons laboured M. Charnock to name some of these or some other which might haue fitted such a turne, but bicause he could not obtaine of him to name any of these before he should see the names of M. D. Barret and M. Doctor Ely, he caused M. D. Barrets name to be blotted out againe which was written in hope, and would not suffer M. D. Ely his name to be written, nor any thing else concerning that interrogatorie: which manner of carriage con­ferred with F. Baldwins Letter discouereth a good wil that F. Baldwin should haue written the truth in this point. Thirdly he affirmeth in the same Letters that the two Priestes should say that experience would teach if they had not their request Quod indignabitur libertas si prematur these were their wordes saieth F. Baldwin. Can any man thinke that they would so for­get themselues as to threaten the Pope to his teeth, if hee would not graunt them what they would haue? but if F. Bald. writ doubtlesse as he was enformed by Fa. Parsons, the greater is the confirmation of that which here we intend to shewe, that is how it hath from time to time bene lulled a sleepe with falshood, and therefore that the lesse this wonder is now that it is auouched by M. Blackwell neuer to haue bene proposed with vntruthes.

4.

The 4. point is touching the matter of schisme which he saith was according to his opinion, which euen now he doth retaine. The head of the Iesuites sendeth abroad his Letters, by which hee signifieth that he would not be ashamed to humble himselfe to worke a peace, can it be thought that he was not pri­uie to these Letters of the Archpriest, whose counsell the Arch-priest in his instructions is willed to vse in matters of weight? or can M. Blackwell forget that such an assertion of F. Robert Iones the Iesuite (being maintained by him) made a breach of the generall attonement which was made at the comming of the Breue? and must he needs euen while he exhorteth to peace declare now that such is his opinion, as void of all learning as it hath bene & is farre from all cha­ritie, and publish his want of both in the same mo­ment? Is schisme so small a sinne, as it is not worthie to make a matter of contention whether there were schisme or no? or were schisme so small a matter as here it is made, is it charitie for M. Blackwell to publish his opinion in this sort, knowing that the speech of such an opinion hath diuided men and their wiues, father and children, brothers and sisters, and the dearest friendes, and hath bene the cause of the di­uision among Priestes, and infinite sinnes (if de­traction haue not lost the nature of a sinne) in all sorts of people, to the perpetuall infamy as much as lyeth in them of Catholike Priestes, who perchance haue deserued much better of Gods Church then they who haue maintained so long the opiniō of schisme against them? Can M. Blackwell expect any other [Page 30] thing of the Priests against whom hee still declareth his opinion concerning this supposed schisme, then to write, speake, and exact satisfaction, hauing recei­ued so many iniuries by the like, and daily expect more? But now hee salueth all in saying, It was but an Arbitrarie matter discussed among the learned, which brin­geth no losse of credit to ether part. I gaue them all expresse li­bertie to thinke what they would herein, for it is but a matter of opinion, and therefore not worthy to make a matter of con­tention which part soeuer was true. Is it possible that M. Blackwell can say that he gaue all expresse libertie to thinke what they would as in an indifferent matter,Aprill. 1599. who in some of his Letters calleth it a soare, for the which F. Listers Treatise of schisme was such a reme­die,14. March. 1600. as it must not be called in, vntill this sore were healed; In other Letters, that our condemned deserts drew these names vpon vs, Factious, Schismatikes, ex­communicated persons, Irregular, as Ethnikes and Pub­licanes, and nothing better then Southsayers and Idollaters. Why did he publish that he had receiued a resolu­tion from the mother Cittie, that the refusers of the appointed authoritie were schismatikes, and that hee would not giue absolution to any who should make no conscience thereof, and gaue direction that they should make account thereof, and before they receiued the benefit of absolution make satisfaction, the manner whereof hee left to the discretion of a ghostly Fa. not touched with the note of schisme? Is this to giue expresse libertie to all to thinke what they would herein?21. Feb. 1600. Did he not also sufficiently ex­presse his minde in other his Letters, where he decla­red [Page 31] his determination that hereafter whosoeuer had faculties of him should first be content to recall his peeuish opinion? did he not practise such authoritie vpon M. Benson when he would not giue him any fa­culties vnlesse hee would renounce the schismaticall conuenticle? he declared also that M. Tho. Moore had written in preiudice of the Faith, whē he writ in our behalfe concerning this matter of Schisme, where­vpon neither his ordinary ghostly father would ad­minister the Sacraments vnto him, nor his ghostly children receiue any of him, or be present when hee celebrated.29. May. 1600. Are not all Ecclesiasticall persons com­maunded vnder paine of suspension, and losse of fa­culties presently to be incurred, and the Laitie vnder paine of being in the same sort interdicted, that nei­ther directly nor indirectly by word or writing they maintaine the censure of Paris, although it were gi­uen vpon true informatiō, because it cleared vs from schisme and sinne? and can it now be iustified, that hee gaue expresse libertie to all to thinke what they would, as of a matter which was not worthie to make a matter of contention which part soeuer was true?

How often heretofore hath he commended that dis­course of F. Lister the Iesuite, and euen now calleth it a learned discourse & censure, as if the dearth of lear­ned discourses continued still? and for what is it so highly commended? for that it prooueth a matter which were it true were it otherwise, was not worthy to make any contention, and proueth it very simply God wot, in that only hee heapeth infamous names [Page 32] out of his charitie vpon those against whom it is in­tended. Yet leaast that the discourse should be called learned without cause a principall reason is here tou­ched, that the authoritie was confirmed with three Letters of a Cardinall, and not only a Cardinall but a Protector, and not only a Protector of a Colledge, but a Protector of England. Let vs graunt that we saw three Letters of such a Cardinall, although in verie deed there were but two shewed vnto vs (vnlesse the altering of the first be accounted for one) & the one of those two was to this ende that the Arch-priest should informe of the manners & behauiours of the troublesome (so it pleased his grace to terme those who did not take his Letters for an Oracle, and yeeld themselues before they had sent to his holinesse to vnderstand his pleasure in a matter thrust vpon them vpon most wicked & false suggestions, and with more authoritie in some sort then euer any creature had, as vnder a colour of the greater glory of God, to dc­barre or throw a Priest out of his place, where in time of persecution hee had some morall securitie for his safetie, as well in respect of a conuenient shelter, as for necessary maintenance, hauing no liuings of the Church to supply his wants) Let vs I say graunt that we saw three, let vs say 30, and stand to the iudgment of learned men,Gloss. in cap. sicut de sent. excom. Felinus in ca. ad eminen­tiam ibidem. the cause is ours, that is to say, we were not bound to giue credit to so exorbitant a mat­ter, and so preiudiciall to many well deseruing of Gods Church, vpon the testimony of a Cardinall, who also saying no otherwise thē that he had a com­maundement from his holinesse to imploy himselfe [Page 33] to make a peace betweene the Seminary Priests and the Catholickes (most iniuriously belyed at Rome to haue bene at variance)Pan. in cap. quod super fide instr. & in cap. cum a nobis de testi­bus & attest. Zecchius de statu Ill. D. Car. num. 9. Sil. verb. de­gatus § 15. & verb. Testis § 5. and that it was the Popes will that there should be a subornation for certaine rea­sons giuē him by the Priests of England (which were neuer as yet knowne what they were) made all the rest, either of himselfe, ignorant of English matters, or by the suggestion of the Iesuites, betweene whom and the Priests were all the cōtrouersies which were in England. Neither doth it make any thing to the purpose, to alledge here that the Cardinall was Pro­tector of England, for this act of his was a subdelega­on, as appeareth by the words of his Letter,Angel. verb. Testis § 14. Armill. ibid. § 7. Te deli­gimus cui vices nostras pro tempore delegemus. We make choyce of you whom for the time we subdeligate in that charge which was committed to vs, which was to make a peace betweene the Seminary Priests and the Catholickes who were said to be fallen out, and not an act of Pro­tectorship: so that if it had bene knowne heere in England that he was Protector of England, yet it is as impertinently vrged in this place as the place out of Nauarre for the credite of a Protectors Letters, wherein no mention is made either of any Protector or any Letters, he speaketh there of a farre different Officer which is called Conseruator, whose office is o­therwise set downe, Cap. fin. de officio & pot. Iudi. deleg. in sexto, then M. Blackwell vseth his, and if Iacob Strozz. make no more to this purpose then Nauarre, these co­tations might haue bene kept for some other places: very probable it is that this Iacob Strozz. doth handle somewhat of a Conseruator as other Canonists do, [Page 34] and perchance nothing more of Protectors thē they do. The office of a Protector stretcheth not it self far­ther then the Court of Rome, as may be gathered out of those words of the Breue, Nationis Anglicanae apud nos & Apostolicam sedem Protector, Protector of the Englishe Nation heere with vs, Clement. si summus pon­tifer. de sent excom. susp. &c. and with the Sea Apo­stolicke, and this phrase in the Breue doth not make him Protector of the English Nation, if before hee were not. But put the case in the best manner, and with the most aduantage. We did no otherwise then we might haue done if the Letters had come from his holinesse,Cap. si quan­do. de rescrip. glosi ibid. cap. Cū teneamur de praebend. glos. ibidem. for we made no demur but with minde to giue a reasonable cause thereof, which is lawfull for any man to do.

5

The fift point concerneth the vsage of the two Agents at Rome, which if it hath bene shewed to be not as of Agents but as of patients, as being cast into prison before they were suffered to doo the parts of Agenrs, examined, afterward accused, not heard whē they desired the copie of their accusation to make answere therevnto, at which time only they were to­gether to shewe their readinesse to doo their duties, and after 14. weekes close imprisonment bidden to consult of their matters for which they came to Rome, (three dayes after that the Breue was gotten in cōfir­mation of the authoritie) and notwithstanding they put off their Caps to this Breue, and sent it into Eng­land that all might doo the like, they were banished out of their Countrey, and confined without any al­lowance for their necessary maintenance, being men who had spent all their life for and in the seruice of [Page 35] Gods Church. If this I say haue bene shewed with­out any blame laid upon the Pope Cardinalls or Fis­call of reformation, M. Blackwell should not now to saue the credit of his particular Patrons, with scandal insinuate that the Pope deserued blame, for it hath al­waies bene vndoubted that the Pope was misinfor­med, and therevpon did what he did, the Cardinall Caietane led altogether by the Iesuites, the other not to contradict Caietane, the Fiscall at Caietans deuoti­on, and no part of any discourse made heereof, can warrant M. Blackwell to say that either Pope, Cardi­nardinals or Fiscall were priuy to all, for the Pope ne­uer heard them; the Cardinalls but in answere for themselues when they were brought before them to be accused by a couple of Proctors appointed for the Arch-priest, who after they sawe the two Priests re­solute vpon the point to answere their Libell or Bill of accusatiōs, obtained of the Cardinals that it might not be deliuered vnto them, so that heereby it is eui­dent also that the Cardinals were not priuie to all, the Fiscall might heare or see their examinations or part thereof, which are not to be taken as relations of all which they could say, the Interrogatories beeing made at the discretiō of F. Parsons, and their answers cut off sometime as being too lōg, sometime as more fit for other Interrogatories pretended to be made afterward. Who then with any reason can say that these were priuie to all? and if furthermore the Car­dinalls were nothing but Interpreters of the Popes will, may not the truth be knowne without the scan­dall of all Christendom, it being a thing very possible [Page 36] that the Pope may be misinformed, & do that which afterward he may wish vndone?

6.

The sixt point is concerning his decrees, which as he saith were necessarie, for they containe nothing but pro­hibition of things, otherwise vnlawfull, and partly also forbid­den by Cardinall Caietane. We are not heere to examine what the Cardinall did partly forbid, being dead and buried long before some of thē were made or could be thought upon, and was not liuing when any one of them was made. M. Blackwell proueth the necessi­tie of them by the contents as is shewed, but if it be proued that they were vnlawful prohibitiōs of things that were and are lawfull (although he had power to make such decrees) the grounde of the necessitie of these which he hath made wil proue but a myer. The first Edict (made 17. Ianu. 1599. as we account) for­biddeth euery man vnder greeuous penalties ipso fac­to to bee incurred to divuldge any Bookes set out within two yeares before, or after to be set out, by which his lawfull estate should be disturbed, or the fame of any Ecclesiasticall person of the English Na­tion by name be harmed. The cause of this decree was (as is therein specified) that nothing should be attempted, intermedled, or published among vs, that may be of­fensiue to our state, or to the encrease of our troubles, or else to the detraction of our Bretheren. What if any man were so publikely iniured as he could not repaire his credite but by publishing? doth not the lawe of nature, and Nations, allow him that defence? how then did this decree containe a thing otherwise vnlawfull? but to come a litle nearer, was there not a Booke published [Page 37] and sent into all parts of England, yea and beyond the seas by the Iesuites, or their fauourites, Intituled in generall termes, Against the factious in the Church, but applied particularly to vs by the Archpriest (as heere he confesseth in his answere to the fourth point) and can it be said to be vnlawfull (if we had bene so idle) to publish in our owne defence against that sence­lesse, and sinfull Libell? Sencelesse in running vpon disobedience to the Sea Apostolike, from which no Letter came to commaund any thing, nor to testifie that any other had authoritie giuen to commaund. Sinfull in that vpon so weake a ground no wicked­nesse was left vnlaid to our charge, nor any name of infamie omitted, and as now M. Blackwell better ad­uised confesseth in his answere to the fourth point in a matter of opinion, and therefore not worthie to make a mat­ter of contention which part soeuer was true. This Edict thē forbad not any thing otherwise vnlawfull, but only (as it should seeme) gaue libertie to any our aduersa­ries to spread abroad any thing to the encrease of troubles, and detraction of the bretheren, and debar­red vs only to publish against the detractious Libel­ling of others, howe iust soeuer our cause might bee.

The second Edict or Decree made the 29. of May, 1600. forbiddeth vnder penalties ipso facto to be incurred, that no man directly or indirectly maintaine or defend in word or in writing the censure of the Vniuersitie of Paris, (which had cleared vs from schisme and sinne, in our forbearing for a time to accept him in that au­thoritie [Page 38] vpon causes there set downe) whether it were truly giuen or forged, whether vpon true information or other­wise. Can it be iudged by any of reason to be a thing vnlawful in it selfe to defend a censure of the most fa­mous Vniuersitie in the world, being giuen vpō true information as heare he supposeth it might be? the presumption is so great in this prohibition, and the decree so euidently conuinced to bee of a thing not vnlawfull, as wee need not heere to stay any longer vpon it.

The third Decree, dated the 18. of Octob. 1600. conteineth many prohibitions, but that which M. Blackwell seemeth here most to vrge, is the prohibiti­on that no man should ask an other or giue his owne name to any thing, with which he or two of his assi­stants were not first made acquainted. And I incline to thinke that hee meaneth this rather then the rest, for that conformably to his assertion in this place, he said (a litle after this Edict was made) that the Car­dinall Caietane did meane heereby that they who would giue their names to any thing, should not on­ly acquaint the Archpriest therewith, but also get his consent therevnto: so that if the Priests would by common suffrage haue any thing amended in him, or any of those, whom he thinketh to be his friends, or should attempt any thing necessary to be done in such place, where a bedroll of names ouerpease (as they haue found by experience) be the cause neuer so iust, they cannot giue their names vnto it without his consent. Now do I appeale to any honest man, whether it be a thing in it selfe vnlawfull for any to [Page 39] giue their names, or demaund others to any thing, which in reason they may thinke necessary for the common good of Gods Church, or reliefe of their owne miseries? and if in such a case it be not a thing vnlawfull, howe is this true, which Maister Blackwell heere affirmeth, that his decrees containe nothing but prohibition of things otherwise vnlawful? Now that we haue shewed that the things prohibited were not vnlawfull, but rather his prohibitions, and con­sequently his first reason of the necessitie of his De­crees of no force, let vs see how the euent prooueth the necessitie of them. Some who carry graie haires, (and if they would keepe silence might goe for verie graue men, and thought fit to be Councellours) dis­couer their want too much of that wisedome, and learning which they might haue, and vpon these de­crees blunder it out (so as Will Sommers might finde them) that who so readeth the Bookes set out by the Priests (by warrant of all iust lawes) in the defence of their good name, and fame most iniuriously taken from them by the seditious Libell of F. Lister, and the sinfull vse of others their tongues, is excommunica­ted. Had any excommunication bene threatned (al­though the Archpriest could not doo it) or had any prohibition bene made in the decrees that no man should read any of our bookes, such graue mē might haue dreamed of such matters as they talke on, but there being no mentiō either of the one, or the other in any edicts, how cōmeth Grauity (where litle time, hath bin or is spēt in other studies) to make such a cō ­iunctiō of Nownes & Verbes, It is excommunication to read any of these bookes? Some are also said to be excom­municated [Page 40] for bringing a Priest a Breuiary to say his houres. Some carry scrowles about of such Priestes names as must not be dealt withall. Some will not heare their confessions. Some teach that it is excom­municatiō to be present at their masse. And for what? forsooth for maintaining an opinion which was not worthie to make a matter of cōtentiō which part soeuer is true: and seeking by lawfull appeale to the Sea Apostolike to haue the controuersie fully decided?

The Archpriest inflicte [...] paines ipso facto to pre­uent scandals and seditions, either those are no scan­dals and seditions, which are taken for such, or they are very meanly preuented. But by what authoritie are penalties inflicted ipso facto by him who through­out his cōmissiō hath his order set downe vnto him for his proceedings, that is, to admonish, reprehend, and chastise also when néed shall be by abridging faculties, or if ne­cessitie require by recalling the faculties. And afterward, If any shewe himselfe disobedient, vnquiet, or contumacious, h [...] may after due admonitions and reprehensions made with bro­therly charitie punish him with Ecclesiasticall penalties; that is to say by taking away his faculties, or by suspension, vntill he amend. How is this order kept in the Archpriests pro­ceedings, when without any reprehension, or bro­therly admonition after a fault, he will scant hold his hand vntill the fault be committed, but ipso facto the offendour is punished and how by any degrees for example, by hauing his faculties abridged, and after if necessitie require it, by leesing them, or after this by being suspended? no such matter. But all at once ipso facto, yea and more then this, hee is interdicted, for [Page 41] which there is no warrant in all the Commission; wherefore and also for that the Archpriest did not obserue the order prescribed him (being but a Sub­delegat vnder the Card. Caietane as appeareth in his Letters) all which hee hath done in this kinde is of it selfe voyd,Cap. cum di­lecta de re­scriptis glossa ibidem. Cap. venera­bili de officio & pot. iud. del. Hostiensis de offic. Iudicis deleg. num. 7. & 10. Innoc. in cap. praedicta. S. Antonin. p. 3. tit. 9. c. 3. § 1. & 10. Gemin. cap. Quia ponti­ficali de off. & pot. Iud. del. in. 6. Ang. Arm. Sil. verb. De­legatus. as it is manifest by the rules of holie Church, and those who comment thereon, and ther­fore no good euent (if there had bene any) could proue the lawfulnes of his decrees. But he could not wel haue the vse of forum contentiosum, nor cyte or produce witnesses, nor conueniently méete with euery one post factum. Were they who put him in authoritie ignorant that heere could not be any formall Court kept? or can M. Blackwell say, that he cannot meet with anie one post factum, either himselfe, or by his Assistants, who in his Letters to his Assistants, giueth directions to examine such, as whose names are to the appeale, vpon such and such points? If he wil denie that him­selfe hath written to particular Gentlemen to giue entertainment to such a man in particular to examine the Priest there resident concerning his subscribing to the appeale, and concerning his punishment ther­fore, his owne Letters shall be brought out against him? so that if it please him, it is euident inough that he can proceed post factum, and therefore this is but a poore shift for the making of his decrees in such sort, as they are with penalties, ipso facto to be incur­red. As for the good which he hath done by these his censures, it hath bene no other thē to make some dissemble for a while, because they would not be said to be suspended, or to haue lost their faculties. And [Page 42] perplexe men whether they may in this time of per­secution goe for the Sacraments. And for the exe­cution of his decrees, he may say that he proceedeth vpon other cause then vpon the appeale, but then he must promise comfort to such as heere hee taketh no­tice haue need thereof, vpon some other cause, then the subscribing, or hauing their names put to the ap­peale, for this is an euident argument (whatsoeuer is pretended) that some haue had need of comfort for that act doing, but the words of his Letter dated 16. Aprill, 1601. to a Laie Gentleman, leaue no place for any doubt in this cause. This I write (saith he) to make you priuie of the great spirituall daunger, wherein you and all that receiue any Sacraments of M. Os. N. may be, if it be so that he hath subscribed vnto a seditious Pamphlet, coloured with the name of an Appeale.

The oath of obedience exacted by the Archpriest is beyond his Commission. And the lesse to be list­ned vnto, for that it is exacted as a satisfaction due to him by such, as haue appealed to Rome, vpon no other causes, then were prooued out of his owne Letters, and others of his Councell, and are of that quali­tie, that neither he nor all his complices in those acti­ons will euer be able to make condigne satisfaction to the Priests.

And here I could wish that mē were not so caried away with the sound of authoritie, hauing had suffi­cient knowledge of the Priests their carriage toward all lawfull authoritie by their behauiour at the com­ming of the Breue, and let not the name of a sediti­ous booke (the least point therein contained not be­ing [Page 43] to be controld, but by secret whisperings where it shall not come to the examination) put men from seeing how they are deluded by such as meane them no good, but labour now to lull them a sleep till they haue gotten what they would, & to this end bebarre them of all such helpes, as whereby they might be enformed of the truth. The points neither confute themselues, nor will be confuted by any. Neither are the bookes written in passion, but to moue all sincere Catholikes to haue compassion both of themselues, and of vs, when they shall see by these discourses vn­der whose hands their soules are, and how slight rec­koning is made of the infamie of so many Priests for a matter not worthie to make a matter of cōtention which part soeuer is true.

Concerning the names to the appeale. Howsoe­uer some doo comfort themselues, they will hardly finde any whose name was there without his cōsent, for although perchance there were some causes par­ticular to some, which were not knowne to the rest, yet in the chief they all found thēselues agreeued, and desired remedie by way of appeale, to which they set to their hands, or sent their consent by others to haue their names set too, for which the Authours will be brought foorth if need require, to iustifie their con­sents, whose names they caused to be subscribed: and since this matter came in question we haue to shewe the consents of some vnder their owne handes, of whom the doubt was made.

But to grow to amend, all are to vnderstand, that our desire is to haue peace, and for peace sake haue [Page 44] we published these bookes, knowing that there is no way so meet to worke an vnfained peace, as to haue the truth knowne of these proceedings, that thereby the soare may be searched to the quick, & not healed as it was before, and brake out againe presently after, by the indiscretion of F. Iones a Iesuite, who, when all were quiet, affirmed that they incurred the cen­sures of holie Church, who should say Dogma­tizando that we were not Schismatickes. If we were Schismatickes we refuse not to stand to the iudge­ment of the Church. If we were not, we desire it may so be declared, as there be no more strife raised thereon here in England, or elsewhere. F. Garnet the head of the Iesuites, made lately a motion for peace, which if it had come from the Archpriest, or if hee had ioyned with F. Garnet therein, it might haue ta­ken some effect, because these controuersies were as well with the Archpriest, as the Iesuits. But the Arch­priest not ioyning in this treatie which was begunne by the other, the Priests could not thinke that it was sincerely meant, in which they are now confirmed, because so soone as Fa. Garnet vnderstood by M. R. B. the 27. of Iuly, that the cōditions made at the first attonement were not as yet performed by the Arch­priest,The recal­ling of M. D. Bishop, & M. Charnock home from banishment and confine­ment. he noted for a partie in this controuersie, and that somewhat was expected, to the same effect from the Archpriest (whom this matter most concerned) he mistooke it for a refusall to haue a parley of peace, and so signified it to a friend of his, vpon the last of Iuly; beside that in these Letters last written by the Archpriest to his assistants in answere of our bookes [Page 45] (doublesse not without the priuitie of Fa. Garnet, whose counsell he is to haue in matters of moment) he declareth his opinion which still he retaineth that we were schismatikes, in the which renewing of so grieuous an infamie if we stir, it is not without cause, for we lie still open thereby to those iniuries, and re­proachfull speeches which were vsed by Fa. Lister in his libel, & are now so in the fashion abroad, that the fayrest Catholike housen haue now the filthiest aire, and all base scoldes who haue the most impudent clackes, must giue place to their betters.

But as the Apostle saith, Diligentibus deum omnia cooperantur in bonum: All things turne to their good, who loue God, which I hope we do, in seeking his glorie as F. Garnet knoweth we do, and witnesseth as much in his Letters dated vpon Midsommer day last past, and his glorie is our content, and in him we hope to haue peace, which also we wish to those who in their owne consciences haue giuen vs the greatest cause of offence, and pray for them, as we desire the praier of all good Ca­tholickes for vs.

After that this answere to M. Blackwell his Letter was printed, an other copie of the same letter came to our sight, which hath cau­sed vs to amend the first copie by way of Errata, although it contain nothing of moment more then the first, except that in the 6. Page in the end of the first clause in answere to the first point these words are wanting. It toucheth the greater part and better part of that cōpany there. To which if we would imitate others in their insolent comparisons, we might say (and perchance with more truth) that the lesser part was the better, and answer to that of the greater part, Stultorum infinitus est numerus. The world is full of Fooles. But remembring that saying of the Apostle, Rom. 14. What are you who iudge an others seruant? We can conclude no otherwise then the same Apostle concluded, 2. Cor. 10. He is approued, whom God commendeth. In the same 6. Page lin. 23. where (greatest) must be put in place of (most grieuously) (a word not likely to be so much mistake) the sence might giue that the Pope is contemned by the complaint of the vsage of the Schol­lers, if F. Parsons (as at other times) in his Letters to F. Holt, dated 15. May, 1597. did not confesse that he found errors in the Iesuites their carriage toward the Schollers, and such, as if many of those things had happened in their quietest Colledge in Spaine or Flaunders, they would haue put the peace out of ioynt.

Also page 8. in the margent Zecchius de rep eccle. is left out, who in his Treatise de statu Ill. D. Card. Num 9. handling the office of a Protector, saith not one word concerning his Let­ters.

Errata.

Page 6 lin. 4. their. the other. l. 12 being. long. l. 15 It concerneth. It no­thing concerneth our l. 19. mislike. instituted. l. 23. most grieuously grea­test. pa. 7 l. 2. accept execute. l. 3. d [...]s [...]ered. learned. l. 27. not. not as a mat­ter. pag. 8. l. 4. the best. the opinion of the best. ibib. credited. credited dutifully, l. 16. Agents. Priests. l. 22. any. any one. l. 30. cause. cause otherwise. marg. Strozzeus. Sbrozeus. Zecchius de rep. eccles. pag. 9 li. 9 an. and. l. 19. now. more. l. 21. The. Other. l. 26. slanderous. scandalous. l. 30. you. you all. pag. 10 lin. 3. and. our. lin. 7. this our. this. 11. 23. 73. pag. 33. lin. 30. Strozz. read Sbroz.

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