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PROPOSITION Of the Ambaſſadour PECKIVS.

In the Congregation of the General States. WITH THE ANSVVER Of the ſayd General States, the XXV. of March, 1621.

TRANSLATED, Out of Dutch, according to the Copy, printed by AERT MEURS, Bookſeller in the HAGUE.

A COPIE Of the Letters of Credence.

LOvinge Freends, vvee ſend thither Sr. Pieter Peckius, Lord Knight of Bouchout, &c. Counſeler of our Counſel of State, and Chanceler of Brabant bringher of this, to handle with you of certayne cauſe that hee ſhall declare unto you: And therefore this ſhal ſerve to require, not onely to give him good audience, but alſo to give him full credit in that hee ſhall declare unto you from our Part. Lovinge Freends vvee commende you in the mercifull Protection of the Almighty God. In Bruſſel the 16 of March, 1621.

Subſcribed Albert and Iſabel. Lower. Verreycken. The Superſcription, To our Lovinge Freends the General States of the Vnited Provinces.
PROPOSITION Of the Ambaſſadour PECKIVS. In the Congregation of the General States.

NOBLE & MIGHTY LORDS, Theſe latter dayes of the Truce of twelf years of the Lowe Countreys / our common Fatherland / do ſet before our eyes the lamentable mutation commonly following after ſuch temporall Agreements / and whereof the preparations on both ſides are promooved and advaunced already. But the Archidukes looking with a pittifull eye upon the extreame and moſt deplorable Inconveniences and miſeries / wherein this Lands thorough / this mutation ſhould come to falle / could not chooſe to bring into great conſideration the meanes fit / expedient and required to the preventing and averting of them / ſpecially beeinge mooved to this healthfull and ſalutary ſentence / thorough their naturall inclination to Peace / and thorough their zeale and affection to the commune wealth / which likewiſe hath beene the cheefeſt and principal motives / that their Highneſſes have reſolved to the ſayd Truce / as a beginning of the whole deſired tranquillitie and reſt / and of the Quenching of the Flame of warre / wherein at their cominge they found theſe Lands / thinking that within the time of the ſame Truce / there actions have klearly and manifeſtly teſtified and declared the ſurety of their good intention / and for this future time their Highneſſes have nothing more carefully beharted / then to procure the greateſt advantage of theſe Lands in Generall / which ſeemes to conſiſte therein that all the Parts and Members of the Low Countreys ſhould gather in one body and under one head / beeing apparent / that as they where before the troubles in peaceable union and quiet proſperitie / they ſhould yet more uſe and enioye the ſame if the Provinces of this ſide / would conſent to a good / and firme Agreement with acknowledge of their Natural Princes. This is the Poinct that their Highneſſes have charged mee to declare unto your Mightineſſes and freendly to preſent / ſuppoſing that it was their duety and required office of good Princes before all breaches of warre / ſeeking and beharting your owne continuall welfare and proſperitie / and that conſideration ſhould be taken of it / with a fruitfull reſolution / by which all ſheading of blood / exceeding chardges and other lamentable miſeries (whereunto this Low Countreys have beene ſubiect ſo many yeares) once might be avoyded: And if your Mightineſſes would come / upon this condition to a communication of Agreement / their Highneſſes ſhall incline to ſuch reoſonnable conditions and capitulations / that the ſame your High Mightineſſes ſhall have full reaſon of good contentement / and ſee not onely the affections of the good will of their Highneſſes / but eke the equitie and ſinceritie / which alwayes they have had in ſundry recommendation / and manifeſtly declared hitherto by the punctuel and religious keeping of all their actions and promiſes / as that ſame ſufficiently may bee truſted unto them: Aſſuring your High Mightineſſes likewiſe of the like good and ſincere intention of the Catholike Maieſtie / and that the ſame ſhall have for good / firme and acceptable / what their Highneſſes concerning this cauſe ſhal do and conclude.

And was ſubſcribed P. PECKIUS.
ANSVVER Vpon the ſayd Propoſition / of the ſayd High / Mighty Lords the States of the Vnited Lowe Countreys.

THe General States of the Vnited Lowe Countreys having heard and througly examined the Propoſition from the Part of the Archidukes / in the Congregation of their High Mightineſſes / firſt verbolly done / and thereafter delivered in writing by the Lord Petro Peckio Knight of Bouchoute / Canceler of Brabant / by power of Lettres of Credencie of the ſayd Archidukes / dated in Bruſſel the 16 of this Moneth. Declare that the Highneſſe and Souveraigntie of the Vnited Lowe Countries is ſure / and with out any contraverſy by their High Mightineſſes / and by the States of the Reſpective Provinces / that they have maintained alwayes religiouſly the ſame / againſt al thoſe that would bring it in doubt / or to undertake any thing againſt the ſame / or appropriate it to any other Princes / and conſequently that they never would come to any treatiſes or agreemēts / wheere by the ſame ſhould have beene brought in any doubt / whereof they have given expres declaration to the Emperour / Electours and Princes / and other Potentates / and likewiſe to the ſayd Archidukes / that the State of their High Mightineſſes is holden Souverain / and their Lands for free Lands acknowledged and accepted by the greateſt Monarches / Kings / Potentates and Republiques / who all / in the ſame qualitie / have made with their High. Migh. ſundry treatiſes / and Confederations / having likewiſe maintained it ſo farre / that their High Mightineſſes / nor with the ſayde Archiduke / nor with the King of Spaine / would not undertake any Agreement / before the ſame had given an acte of Declaration of it / that they did handle with the ſame their High Mightineſſes / as with free Lands and Provinces whereupon they had nothing to pretende: And becauſe that ſame is as kleare as the Noonedaye / and manifeſtly knowen to all the world / therefore their High Mightineſſes hold very ſtraunge the Propoſition of the Lord Chanceler PECKIO, declaringe that the greateſt advantage of theſe Lands ſhould conſiſte therein / that all the Parts and membres of the Lowe Countreys ſhould gather in one body and under one Head / and that they would conſent to a good and Firme Agreement with acknow: of theyr natural Princes / if the ſame lands upon this condition would come to a communicatiō of Agreement / that theyr Higneſſes ſhould incline to reaſonnable conditions: Becauſe the ſame Condition could not ſerve to preventinge and aboydinge of the extreame inconveniences / wherein the Lands thorough the warres againe ſhould come to falle / whereunto the Propoſition ſeemes to ſtretche / but rather ſhall kindle the fyer of warre / becauſe it goes directly againſt the ſayd confeſſed ſouveraigntie and Highneſſe of the Lands / which theyr High Might: hitherto ſo laudably / and with ſo difficile warres have maintained / and further / with the helpe of God / are reſolved to maintaine with goods and blood. And likewiſe that the ſayde Propoſition is repleniſhed with errours and not tollerable in theyr ſtate / drawinge in diſpute the ſame ſouveraigntie againſt the Fondementale Lawes of this State. And therefore theyr High Might: kan not allowe ſuch an uniuſt / anlooked / and unneygbourly Propoſition nor approove the ſame / as implikinge an intollerable atrocite againſt theyr ſtate / and to great diſhonour of al Monarches / Kings / Potentates / and Republiques / who haue handled with them as with a Souveraine State. But muſt and neceſſarely declare / that all they / which by any Propoſitions or other meanes / preſume to drawe into diſpute the Souverayne Right of theſe lands / or to impugne the ſame / or to appropriate it to any other Princes / or any thinge that favoured of it / ſhall bee holden and keept as inhabil to bee admitted by theyr High. Might: to any Treatiſe. And this they give the ſayde Lord Peckio for anſwer / onely adding / that the ſayd Archidukes / by the manifold complainctes done unto them / and whereupō no ſatiſfaction is done / knowe ſufficiently / how theyr High. Mightines underſtande that the Treatiſe of Truce poinctly and regiliouſly by them and the Kinge of Spaine ſhould be keept. Actum in the congregation of the ſayd General States in the Hague the 25. of March. 1621. And was paragraphed.

Henr. ter Coulen, Vidit. Onder ſtoot / By Ordinance of the Sayd General States. And was ſubſcribed. C. Aerſſen.