A LETTER OF S.r HVMFREY LINDE, To a Lady of great Worth, much affli­cted for Syr Humfreys sake, hearing him ill spoken of, for not answering the Whetstone, and the Spectacles, that were written agaynst his Via tuta.

AND Also for that he is greatly taxed for lying, and corrupting of many Authours.

In which Letter he doth cleare himselfe.

Printed Anno M.DC.XXXIIII.

MADAME,

The affliction you endure for my sake is a sharpe Arrow, shot euē to my hart, and is not thence to be remoued, vntill your griefe be re­moued, by this my Letter, which I know, to you (who are so zealous a louer of the Word, and hater of the Pope) will giue aboundant satisfa­ction. As for the Church-going Pa­pists therefore, and some other that are not of the purer sort of the refor­med Church, who as you say, do dash you in the teeth with my lyes, 150. and odd, in my first Booke called Via tuta, and the Lord knowes how many in my second, called Via deuia; [Page 4] so that when you would sound forth my euerlasting praises, they stop your pure Mouth, with my infinite num­bers of corruptions, shiftes, Foxian, Iewellian, and Mortonian falsifica­tions; crying out, that I haue had too printed Bookes sent me, one called the Spectacles to see my way, the other the Whetstone, the iust reward of my desert, for lying so egregiously, with many other papers of like nature dis­playing my vntruthes: Know deare Lady, that a Brother, or Sister that spring, from the pure bowels of the reformed Church (as your Honour and I doe) must suffer much more then this, by that vile, deformed, and Antichristian Crew, the Wicked. But now to the matter.

This only I request at your Ho­nours hands, that if you know any should be desirous (before my prin­ted Bookes come forth) to receaue any further satisfaction then this my Letter to your Ladishippe will giue [Page 5] them, they may be sent on the Lords name either to my owne House, or to the Wine-Office, where I and many of our learned and zealous brethren meete often, about a further refor­mation of Religion: desiring, that not so much as a ragge of Popery, may remayne in the House of the Lord; neither Bells nor Organs, Ro­chets or Myters, square Caps, or Surplisses, Crosse or Image: for I am assured, a true Brother, or Sister had rather see Antichrist himselfe then any of these; nay we trust in the Lord to put the Word Catholicke, out of the Creed, as well as out of Tombe­stones, and in place therof, to say, I belieue in the Reformed Church.

And though our enemyes shew, that Lying is one of the Markes of our Church, and that I for the glory of it, haue told ouer againe all the lyes of M. Bell, Fox, Iewell, White, Mor­ton, and others in a new fashion: yet, all this notwithstanding, I hope to [Page 6] giue any reasonable man full satisfa­ction.

For put case, there hath beene now and then a slip or two, and that out of the aboundance of my zeale I haue sometimes ouerlashed, or stretched a point for the loue of the Ghos­pell; I hope this will be no such Capi­tall Crime, amongst the pure little Flocke, who know right well, what latitude may be vsed for the splendor of the Ghospell: & what our Elders and Fore-fathers in this kind haue done, no learned knight can be igno­rant. What therfore I haue done, was not without authority: yea herein I haue tracked the very footsteps of the most famous D. Luther, and the pure preacher of the word D. Caluin. These were the lights sent from heauen it self to driue away the darke clouds of papistry. These were they who made their doctrine odious to the world. And wot you how? why thus: Those reuerend Fathers of our Church af­firmed, [Page 7] how Papists bragged of be­ing able to keep Gods Commaunde­ments without Gods grace; how they put their trust in their owne Merits, and not in Christs; how they adored Bread, Statues, Images, and Idols.

Now the Papists ashamed, denyed it stoutly; Againe, those Reuerend Fathers affirmed it boldly, & so con­uinced them. What, is not our affir­mation a sufficient refutation of their deniall? Sure I am this manner of ar­guinge hath beene allowed of, this fourescore yeares in our Churches, and pulpits. When D. Luther (tom. de matrim. f. 119.) began to teach (from aboue no doubt) that this in Genesis Multiply, and increase, was not a Pre­cept only, but more then a Precept, and that it was not within the power of a man to be without a woman: And agayne, that if the wife would not yield she should be sent packing; marry Hesther & put away Vasthi: & that if the husband were impotent [Page 8] the wife might marry another, or with his consent lye secretly with his brother, or some other man: What did the Papists? Oh it vexed them to heare of reformatiō, they vrged Scri­pture too, Matt. 5. where it is said; that Whosoeuer dismisseth his wife, vnles for fornication, and marieth another, com­mitteth adultery.

But alas, they haue not the spirit of interpreting Scriptures, & their old Fathers, & Grandsires were blinded, and therfore according to his Tenet well sayth D. Luther: Be it that the Church, Augustine, & other Doctors, Pe­ter, Apollo, yea an Angell frō heauen teach otherwise, yet is my doctrine such as set­teth forth Gods only glory. Nay he had authority from heauen to reprehend the Apostles themselues, and to put in and out what he pleased of the holy Word of the Lord: for so he himselfe affirmeth in his booke agaynst King Henry the 8. I am certayne (sayth he) I have my doctrine from heauen; and yet [Page 9] marke the humility of the man) it is not myne (sayth he) but Christes. And therefore you see, how afterwards King Henry obeyed him, and his do­ctrine, which he would neuer haue done, had it not beene from God, or had it not beene most pure and holy doctrine: and therfore you may read how zealous King Henry became, how purely and chastly he liued, be­ing conuerted from Popery.

Agayne, D. Luther added to the Text, Rom. 3. this word alone: Man is iustifyed by fayth alone. And this not without both authority from God, (as before you haue heard out of his owne mouth, and no doubt do firm­ly belieue) but also with great rea­son, to wit, to vexe the old Papists. O this doth silence them, this makes thē chafe and sweat. Let them cry, we falsify the Scripture: I will study no further answere for them, then this of D. Luthers which is neuer to be ans­wered: A Papist, and an Asse, are all one [Page 10] thinge: So I will haue it, so I commaund it, my will must stand for a reason. And good reason, for thy Will was the Lords will, and the Lords will was thy Will. So in the 2. of Peter he hath thrust out good Workes, as not besee­ming these holy times, when a liuely fayth excludeth all good Workes; all counsels of Pouerty, Chastity, and Obedience. Giue me fayth, and let the Papists goe with their good Works, and Restitutions whither they will. Ile none.

This doctrine we exactly fol­low, and protest neuer to do good worke so long as we breath. Heere you see my grounds for it out of this prophet, sent from heauē to reforme the world; and you see also that we may iustly alter the text, and vse our wits in clearing of the Scripture, pu­rifying our doctrine, and deluding the Papistes.

I cannot omit another Prophet D. Caluin, so named by himselfe: I am [Page 11] a Propheth (sayth he) I haue the spirit of God &c. thus, full of zeale in his 4. booke of Institutions cap. 12. and else where. Now marke the spirit & zeale of this man. In the preface of his In­stitutions, he tells vs that the Coūcell of Basill, was a lawfull Councell, and persisted in full authority and digni­ty to the end. Now then, he proo­ueth most learnedly, that the Papist Church hath fayled: for that Coūcell deposed Eugenius and chose Felix; yet the Councell being ended, Eugenius stole againe into the chayre without any Canonicall election; and so from him (a false Pope) all the succeeding Popes haue sprunge, making euer since a false Church.

Thus that rare & eminent starre Iohn Caluin, whose wisedom thought it not conuenient in those times to be so foolishly scrupulous, as to speake truth, and to lay open, that indeed it was first a true Councell, but after when it deposed Eugenius, and chose [Page 12] Felix, it was a diabolicall & seditious Councell, so called by the Lateran Councell, Sessione 11.

Now in verity tell me, what zea­lous man is there of ours that doth not follow this example of M. Cal­uin? And who will not, to defend an article of our Fayth (to wit, That the Church may erre) dissemble, or equi­uocate, I will not say lye? though the Scripture say, Omnis homo mendax, E­uery man is a lyar, which must be fulfil­led somtimes especially in necessity: and when is there more necessity then for the Ghospell, to vexe the Papists that cry for truth and playne dealing forsooth? Yes, with them, who hate vs, and would destroy the Ghospell.

Now for M. Caluin, who can once doubt but that he had a reuelation to deale thus with the Pope. In his third booke of Institutions cap. 20. he saith, The Papists in their hymnes and Le­tanies neuer make mētion of Christ, but pray alwayes to dead men. This [Page 13] doctrine our men teach also in their Pulpits, taken, as you see, from M. Caluin. This mads the Papists, calling vs falsifiers, vntrue dealers &c. and that this is one of our ordinary lies, becaus they say in their Letanies, Lord haue mercy on vs: Christ haue mercy on vs: God the Father of heauen, haue mercy on vs &c. Alas this is only a poore shift, put only for a shew: but let them talke in the meane tyme what they will; so long as the contrary is preached in our pulpits, this makes the papists o­dious amongst the people. Agayne in the same place he sayth: They inuo­cate Saints as Gods. They deny it. Caluin and all our Brethren affirme it. One Caluin, one Melancthon, one Minister of the Lord is to be belieued before a thousand Papists, though it be in a point of their owne Religion.

I must let passe for breuity sake infinite other of our Ancients, that haue giuen vs good example how to deale with the Pope; and for my part [Page 14] I haue not beene backward like a to­wardly disciple to follow their exam­ple, neyther will as long as I liue.

But now let vs looke vpō our own learned Countrymen, in this busines of so great importance. God be pray­sed, there are so many I know not where to beginne: Pitty it is I must leaue most of thē out, or else I should make a volume as big as Iohn Foxes Acts and Monuments, that graue, simple, and vpright man, who is so falsly accused by that crafty Iesuite Parsons, for telling in his Acts a thou­sand lyes, and in three leaues 120. Be­lieue him who please, for ile be han­ged first, vnlesse some of our owne Congregation will take the paines to shew me them.

First therefore, I will beginne with Bishop Iewell, a man of famous memory for deluding the Papists ar­guments. In his booke called The de­fence pag. 7. he ioyneth the Manichees and Papistes togeather, both for­bidding [Page 15] Marriage, and allowing of Fornication. The Papists are madd, deny it, and esteeme it blasphemy a­gaynst the Church, condemne his proofes as false, which he brings out of Panormitan, and others, who only affirme, that Fornication was not punished now so rigorously as in the primitiue times; & from thence they infer, that the Bishop hath iniured, & belyed their doctrine, & falsified Pa­normitan: and this they say, in him is plaine. But what saith the Iewel? Alas, he counts this answere as ridiculous.

Agayne D. Harding, a notable old Papist, affirmes, he hath conuinced him of hundreds of lyes: But were there tyme, I could shew you how brauely he comes off, of all. Tush let the Papistes say what they please, we will say with Paul. 2. Cor. 3. We are cal­led deceauers, and yet we say truth. The Reuerend Doctour & Bishop aforsaid in another place obiects against them their priuate, or sole Communion. [Page 16] The Papists answere diuers wayes, out of the ancient Fathers, Basill, and the monkes of Aegypt, and I know not where. But after all their labour, marke, I beseech you, how wittily the Iewell answereth, and confuteth them, pittying their poore proofes: If saith he, M. Harding could find any thing in the Church, he would not thus hunt after the mountaynes, and flye for ayd into Egipt, if he could find it neerer home. Was not this a wise answere, for so farre fetch a proofe?

Againe, the Papists, forsooth, will not haue their Church to erre, God must take heed of breaking his pro­mise with them, and they hould him to it. Matth. 26. and Iohn 14. The gates of hell shall neuer preuayle against it. I will be with you, till the consumma­tion of the world. The holy Ghost shall re­mayne with you for euer, with like au­thorities out of Scriptures, and mul­titudes of Fathers, and they thinke to kill it dead. But marke the Iewell in [Page 17] this point how he answereth Har­ding. You papists (saith he) say it stan­des not with Gods promise to forsake his Church a thousand yeares together (now he plyes them;) It is not much for you openly the breake Gods commaundements, to defyle his holy sanctuary, to turne light into darkenes, and yet neuertheles you will not sticke to binde him to his promise. Here you see the Consciences of the Papists; they may breake their pro­mises, transgresse the Law, offende their God, but God must not breake with them. See how diuinely this learned Bishow quelleth the argu­ments of his importune aduersaries. An answere it is, certainly inspired by the Lord of truth, and that of our Truth, and not by the Deuill, as the Romanists say.

Well, I am sorry I must leaue out infinite places of this reuerend Bi­shop, by which he hath taught me, and many others, to deale with the papists as they deserue, but he is dead [Page 18] & gone, & no doubt rewarded for his labours: we wil no more of the dead, but of the liuing, & those no smal foo­les I can tell you, both in their owne & our eyes. Appeare then in thy like­nes graue D. White, as thy picture she­weth thee in thy last worke. But now that is changed together with thy ti­tles, for thou art a Bishop, and that well deseruing it, & that not for thy Lying, as the Papists pretend, but for thy witty writings against those thy inueterate Enemies, as I shall make appeare most manifestly.

Obserue therfore, O honourable Lady, how wittily he brings their owne authors, their Cardinalls, and Fathers against themselues. And first Cardinall Hosius, in his expresso verbo Dei, Expresse word of God, who (as the Bishop relateth in his reply to the Ie­suite Fisher page 15. in the end, and page 152. in the beginning) hath this doctrine: A man ought not to be lear­ned in the Scriptures, but taught of God: it [Page 19] is labour lost to spend time in Scripture, for it is but a creature, yea an empty ele­ment: it becomes not a Christian to be conuersant in Scripture. Madame is not here Blasphemy? doth not the Do­ctour iustly insult here ouer the Pope and the Iesuits his Bandoggs, that barke continually against the pure louers of the Word, who had rather see the diuell then a Iesuite or a Semi­nary Priest, which I thanke the Lord for, I euer thought to be monsters, I was so purely educated in the house of the Lord, euer harkening diligent­ly how eloquently our Ministers con­tinually reuiled them; so that I haue beene bred vp with a holy hatred to them, and with pure eyes lifted vp to heauen, I prayse the Lord for it, I still hate them as zealously, as the good Recorder of Salisbury did the I­mage of God the Father, which he va­liantly brake in pieces, although his legge, & almost his necke was broken for it, out of malice infallibly of the [Page 20] deuill for his doing so good a deed.

But now to the answere of the Papists against the Doctour. For­sooth they say, this doctrine is not theirs, and that Hosius hath not these wordes of his owne, but relates them as the blasphemous wordes of the Swinckfeldian Sect, called the Heauen­ly Prophets, Swinckfeldius a Hater of Fryars and Monkes being their cap­tayne, and reprehends and censures them. Yea Hosius himselfe being taxed therwith by some learned men of ours in his life time, answers in­deed the same, and sayth that if he for his owne part should haue taught any such doctrine, he had beene wor­thy to haue beene hanged vp in the market-place.

But alas, this will not help them, for what reason had our learned Do­ctour to take the paynes to search whether they were Hosius his wordes or no, it was sufficient I hope for him to find them there, and so finding [Page 21] them, to take them, and stop the Pa­pists throtes with them in what sense soeuer Hosius spake them. I assure you this was done most eloquently, or ra­ther spiritually, to make the Papists know, they deale with men of Au­thority, and such as know how to vexe a Papist, and delude their argu­ments, & bring their owne best Au­thours agaynst themselues. This I assure you, Madame, is now all in all amogst our learned Writers, & I hope I haue plaied my part herin (as shalbe seen anone) as well as the best of thē.

But this Bishop hath not left them so, I trow. No: he hath yet layd ano­ther of their Red caps doctrine open, & consequently of theirs, to wit Bel­larmines. Although (sayth Bellarmi­ne) the Bookes of the Apostles and Pro­phets be diuine, yet should I not certaynly belieue them, except I haue before hand belieued the Scripture: for also in sundry places of Mahomets Alcaron we read that the same was of God from Heauen, and [Page 22] yet we do not belieue it. Thus M. Bellar­mine. But now behold M Doctour how wittily he catcheth this graue Cardinall in his owne trap. Orthodox. pag. 136. he makes the Cardinall say thus: A man is not bound to belieue the Scripture to be diuine, because the Scrip­ture it selfe sayth so, more then one is bound to belieue the Alcaron to be of God, because in many places thereof, we read that it was sent from heauen of God. Be­hould the excellency of this Doctors wit, how cunningly he reprehends the Cardinall of blasphemy agaynst the Word of God.

O Madame, this is a thing that nips the Iesuits to the hart, & makes them scratch their heads to defend their Cardinall, & behold when all is done what a poore shift they are for­ced to fly vnto. They are fayne to say forsooth, that this Reuerend Doctour is a most egregious lyar, and falsifier of Bellarmine. Yes, forsooth, if we would follow their Counsell, D. [Page 23] White should be forced to do Pen­nance, and make restitution to Bellar­mine, for his iniurious defamation, & leauing out those words, except I haue before hand belieued the Scripture.

But I warrant you, the Doctour is wise inough, and we too. Weele haue nothing to do with their Pen­nances and Restitutions; they are things as hatefull vnto vs, as the Masse it selfe. Let them count vs fal­sifiers, lyers, deceauers and the lyke, they shall find we are no such men, but true zealous professours of the Word, & such as know how to beat downe Popery, as well as the best. And as for the Bishop himselfe, how­soeuer they alleadge he had his Bi­shopricke for lying, let them know that had he not sold (as they say he hath) his library to rayse his family, and prouide for his children, neuer to be stayned with the least spot of Po­pery, he had answered the Nine-Rea­sons long before this.

[Page 24]Now Madame, crauing your pa­tience (for I know your Goodnes will neuer thinke that time to long which is spent in reuewing the wit­ty proceedings of our learned Do­ctours) enter D. Morton Bishop of Durham, for nimblenes of wit in this kind inferiour to none. None more taxed by the Wicked then he for cor­ruption, lying, shifting, and falsify­ing, in one Booke 600. But let them talke, he is rare in interpreting lear­ned Authors, according to his owne sense; he can make them speake as pleases himselfe; and for paying the Papists home with scoffes, taunts, & iests none more excellent then he: and thus he is able to put the best of them to silence, with all their Scriptures, Fathers, and Authorities.

One way of arguing I haue lear­ned of him, and it is a rare one in­deed, to wit, to bring the Papists owne obiections for their solutions, as you may see in the 4. page of his [Page 25] Discouery, where he citeth a text of Gratiam, causa 15 cap. 99 gloss. 4. If I haue sworne to pay any money to one ex­communicated after my oath, I am not bound to pay it him; the reason is, because we ought to vexe euill men by what meanes soeuer, to the end they may cease from doing ill. Where, if you marke, in these last wordes we haue authority by their own Authors to vexe them all we can, being a wicked people.

Now it is true, that the words of of the Glosse contayne only an obie­ction vpon that clause of the Canon concerning paying of money to an excommunicated person, & the ob­iection is made by the Authour of the Glosse in these wordes: What will you say, if I sweare to pay one money & after­wards he is excommunicated, am I bound to pay it, or no? Afterwards he argues the question on both sides, and then concludes, that the Debtour ought to pay the money, though the other cannot demaund it. Now, the inge­nious [Page 26] Bishop to make the Papistes doctrine odious, leaueth out both the first wordes, that shew it is an obie­ction, and the last, to wit, that such a one is bound to pay it, which is the so­lution, and very wittily, he makes the sentence go thus: If I haue sworne to pay any one money that is excommuni­cated, I am not bound to pay it. This was artificially done. Agayne he relateth that D. Boucher holdeth, that a King may be killed by a priuate mā, when D. Boucher holdeth absolutly the con­trary. This is to make the world be­lieue the Truth, and make them say that which they doe not; which is an honest, good, and profitable policy.

In his Preamble pag. 90. he hath so zealous a hatred agaynst the Pope, that he affirmeth with great ioye, that Adrian the English Pope was choked with a fly, & citeth Nauclerus for it, who only doth mention it, as a fable, and refutes it.

Though Parsons haue proued E­quiuocation [Page 27] in some cases to be law­full, both out of Scripture, euen by Christ himselfe, Io. 2. Chap. 5. and S. Paul to the Hebrewes saying: Melchi­sedech had neyther Father nor Mother; Toby the 5. that the Angell that ap­peared, calling himselfe the sonne of great Ananias, his name was Azarias: These they say, were no lyes &c. So Schoole Diuines out of Augustine in Psal. 5. that albeyt a lye be vnlawfull, yet to conceale a truth it may be law­full. So, many are brought by Parsons in his Mitigation, as to saue the life of a Priest. But what of all this? the sim­ple people neuer come to read this Booke of Parsons, or others of that side; and for the learned it stands thē vpon to concurre togeather, by all meanes to beat downe Papistry, and therfore the Bishop cryed out: not one iote of Scripture, no one exāple of antiqui­ty, no one reasō in the naturall wit of man, no one Authour Greeke or Latin do make for Equiuocation, as the Papists teach it.

[Page 28]So he alledgeth Azor a Iesuit in his Preamble pag. 84. and 85. to condemne all vse of Equiuocation, and that by fiue rules, but he leaueth out foure of the sayd fiue rules, as directly agaynst him, allowing in some cases Equiuo­cation. In the same manner he brin­geth another Iesuit Emanuel Sà. Now to bring their owne Authors against them is both witty & learned. Bellar­mine hath not escaped him: and you may see, euē by Parsons owne works, the Mitigation & the Sober Reckoning, how rare a man Bishop Morton is.

But I will end heer with this, that you may see how the Papists are ve­xed with this right worthy and true dealing Bishop. For after great la­bour to shew hundreds of lyes and corruptions, as they say; then for­sooth, they dare presume to con­demne him of ignorance, euen in Lo­gicke, shewing that his Syllogisme is neyther true in matter or forme, but hath sixe termes, and concludes no [Page 29] more then he which proueth the lear­ned Bishop to be an Asse, if you will belieue the Papists:

Euery Man is a liuing creature,
Euery Oxe is a foure-footed beast,
Ergo, euery Asse hath two lōg eares.

Now, if this worthy and learned Doctour be thus abused by the wic­ked Crew, what must I expect? If he that stileth himselfe, A Minister of simple Truth, in his Preamble, & yet pre­sently after (as they would shew) cor­rupteth Polidor Virgill; if this man be taxed, what will they doe to me his scholler, who haue imitated him & o­thers, as M. Perkins, Fulke, Bel, Sutcliffe, Iewel; & others of my owne ranke, as Sir Edward Cooke, Hoby, Hastings, Ples­sis Mornay, who all, with them, are notorious lyers. But for all this, it be­houeth a Knight to take courage, & not to be daunted, and neuer to yield that there is the least corruption in any of our Writings; for to confesse a fault, is rather Vility, then Humi­lity [Page 30] in our Religion.

And therefore with the greatest magnanimity of spirit will I begin to defend my selfe (relying vpon these a foresayd Authours) that euer did noble knight. They taxe me with ma­ny lyes; but wil you know the cause? The truth is they are galled to see my workes, & my self so highly esteemed for them, as I am indeed, & I do glo­rify my selfe, and the Lord for it.

Now therefore, with sword and shield to defend my honour; they are much troubled with my 7. Section, because in it I shew their pedigree from old Heretickes; and therefore I haue tould 9. or 10. lyes (say they.) Now what is the first I pray you? A­gainst their Masse forsooth. And who would not labour to beate it downe, seeing the very Diuell himselfe ha­teth it so much, that he taught D. Luther to write agaynst it. But now to my Charges.

First Charge.

I sayd, Vitalian the Pope that liued in the yeare 666. brought in the La­tin seruice. They not enduring this, tell me to my face, that Gregory the great (who liued in the yeare 590. there being 11. Popes between him & Vitalian) sent the Latin seruice hither by Augustine the Monke: & to make the matter more cleere, they bring Cyprian in his Sermon vpon the Lords Prayer, to affirme the same preface of the Masse to be sayd in Latin, that is now sayd. And Augustine in his se­cond book of Christiā Doctrine ca. 13. in his booke de bono perseuerantiae cap. 3. affirmeth, that in the Masse, after Habemus ad Dominum, presently the Priest answereth, Gratias agamus Do­mino Deo nostro; and then followes, Dignum & iustumest. Thus they bring their old Masse Priests against me for their owne Masse. Would any man haue made so simple an answere?

[Page 32]Then they will conuince me with Iohn Stow, a good, honest, simple fel­low that in his Chronicle saith, that the English seruice began first in K. Edward the sixt his dayes. Now, why should not I answere with al my lear­ned Ancestours? What is Cyprian? What is Augustine? Were they not men? What haue we to doe with them when they are against vs? Whē they are for vs, we haue reason to vrge them agaynst the Papists, be­cause they honour them, and relye vpon them, but not we; for we pro­test to relye only vpon the Word of God according to our owne inter­pretations. For we be more then as­sured, that the Lord will not suffer vs, the predestinate, to erre. Now it plea­seth me, that I may with D. Luther, Caluin, Fulke, D Humfrey, and all o­ther of the reformed Church, reiect the Fathers, not caring for a thou­sand Augustins, Cypriās &c. And thus I answere for the Latin seruice, desiring [Page 33] them to keep the Fathers to thēselues, for we make no accompt of them. Now cōmeth a greater busines about.

The second Charge.

I sayd, the Doctrine of Transub­stantiation began in the Lateran Coū ­cell 400. yeares agoe. The Papists will haue it more ancient, saying, that my owne Maisters will giue me the lye; & that only the word (Transubstan­tiation) began then agaynst Beren­garius, who opposed the doctrine be­fore the Councell, and therefore it was taught before: & so they tell me that Iohn Foxe, a good honest dealing man (that hath tould but 1000. lyes in his Acts and Monuments, and 120. within the space of three leaues) giues my Worship the Whetstone, he might as well say, the lye. Iohn Foxe in the booke of his Acts printed 1576. pag. 1121. affirmeth the denying of Transubstantiation began to be accoū ­ted herely 1060. and in that number [Page 34] was one Berengarius, who liued about the yeare 1060. Now, saith my Papist, what doth your Knightship say to the Fox? Marry I say, the Fox is a Goose, and deserues to be hanged in chaines for not abusing the Papists more in those Primitiue tymes.

Againe they bring D. Humfrey who saith: Gregory the great and Augustine brought Transubstantiation into En­gland: So he in his Iesuitisme 2. part. rat. 5. pag. 626. Peter Martyr in his E­pistle to Beza, dislikes S. Cyril for this doctrine. M. Whitgift in his defence against Cartwrights reply. pa. 408. saith Ignatius the disciple of S. Iohn sayd of the heretickes of those times, they do not admit the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Sauiour Iesus-Christ, which flesh suffered for our sinnes. Heere, he sayth, he could bring the ancient Fathers, to change the name of Syr Humfrey Linde, into Syr Hum­frey Lyes; so omitting, as he sayth, the authority of Christ himselfe in Scri­pture, [Page 35] the Fathers, Councels, and Fi­gures of the old Testament, leaues me to consider how true a Knight I am. And by this you may see how gracelesse a Papist he is, to giue a Knight the lye.

Yet he vrgeth me further & sayth, Iudas was the first of my opiniō in the de­nyall of Transubstantiation: from him & the Capharnaits Berengarius, and so from him Luther and Caluin, then to Grandsire Foxe, Father Morton, and so to his wor­ship Syr Humfrey Lind: so Iudas was the roote, and the Knight cometh directly from his line. I confesse, this did put me into choller, in which I sware that if I knew this Papist, he should well know, that I am a Knight-figh­ter as well as a Knight-writer, which few know of I cōfesse. He promiseth a more ample pedigree, but let him keep it to himselfe, I desire it not, I say I am wronged, and will reuenge it when, and where I can.

The third Charge.

Because I sayd Phocas was the first that grāted Supremacy to the Bishop of Cōstantinople, they make my Author Vrspergensis say, Rome. But let that passe. Agayne they say, he is corup­ted by vs, and that Phocas could not giue Supremacy, because he neuer had any such power, neyther could he be the first, seeing Iustinian ratified the Decrees & Canons of the Popes Su­premacy, with an Edict, as all Ca­tholike Princes do now; So Phocas only set forth the Decrees. But my owne Maisters will vexe me worse (he saith.) M. Whitaker, and M. Fulke say, That Pope Victor was the first that e­xercised iurisdiction ouer forrayne Chur­ches; so M. Whitaker agaynst Duraeus lib 7. M. Fulke in his answer to a Coū ­terfeyt Catholicke pag. 36. And at this ty­me the Church of Rome was in great pu­rity (sayth the Bishop of Canterbury) [Page 37] being neere to the Apostles, in the yeare 158. So Bishop Whitgift sets forth Vi­ctor, and the Church of Rome in those daies. Thus with a bragge of con­uincing me of an vntruth, and refer­ring me to Sciptures and Fathers, he ends this Charge.

But I will not take so much pai­nes, seeing I can haue a true Note­booke of a true Minister; where eue­ry thing is Featly set downe; their notes are my Scriptures and Fathers, vpon their wordes and credits I re­ceiue them, for I know they will not deceyue Me, though they should be­lye the Papists.

The fourth Charge.

Because I sayd, the worship of I­mages was decreed by the Councell of Nice, almost 800. yeares since Christ; heere the Papists say, If I meane diuine worship, as my Rabbins teach out of the pulpit the ignorant people, then it is false, they haue no such Doctrine: if [Page 38] I meane relatiuely, and transitorily with respect to the person it represents, as good subiects doe to the Chaire of State, with reference to his Maiesty, then I fayle of the tyme; for that Isaurus opposed this doctrine before that Councell was assembled anno 726. and that the Fa­thers of that tyme, as Damascene, Ger­manus, and others condemne this He­resy of the Iconoclasts, which began by Iewes, Turkes, Saracens, and Heretiks, and is still maintained by the lear­ned, and noble Knight Syr Humfrey Linde, agaynst Christ, and all the an­cient Fathers: And by most of the English Clergy, as appeared lately in Starre-chamber (an. 1633.) there was granted the pious vse of them; & the Papists haue not any other in them, and so they tell me, the Councell condē ­ned the Heresy, not decreed the doctrine.

But who knoweth not, that we disclayme from their Councels? For as D. Luther truly sayd, art. 115. Coun­cels are but as Parlaments of Princes, and [Page 39] what is defyned by them, is subiected to the Iudgement of euery priuate man. It is a mad thing that what a Councell con­cludeth should be belieued, seeing what is to be belieued and what not, is left to eue­ry spirituall mans iudgment, and so fare­well all Councels and Fathers. Giue me the pure word, and a pure spirit that knoweth only what bookes are Canonicall. This is the doctrine of D. Luther, & D. Caluin which I follow, and so my Spirit is with theirs; and so I hope I haue an­swered their Councells and Fathers sufficiently.

The fifth Charge.

Because I tell them, Irenaeus in his first booke cap. 3. sayth, that the Basilidians and Carpocratians worship­ped Images, and from them I deriue their pedigree: The first of these, say the Papists, as Irenaeus witnesseth, v­sed Images and Inchantements, but maketh no mention of worship. Of the later they say, they had the Ima­ge [Page 40] of Christ, but honoured it as the Heathens did their Idols, & pla­ced it togeather with the Images of Pluto, Pythagoras, Aristotle, and vsed them as Gentiles doe: So that heere he sayth I haue grosly abused them, & belyed Irenaeus, and that I agree with the Basilidians & Carpocratians in ma­ny points of my Religion. But he wil proue this when I haue defended my selfe, and cleered my self of this false dealing, which will neuer be.

The sixth Charge.

Because I say, the Communion in one kind was decreed by the Councell of Cōstance aboue 1400. yeares after Christ, the lye was told long since (say they) by my Father Luther, as Card. Bellarm. noteth lib. 4. de Eucharist cap. 26. M. Crashaw and others haue it; so that it is a stale lye, and they find great fault because he citeth Authours that the whole world esteemeth lyers, as Mor­nay Plessis who is conuinced of 4000. [Page 41] lyes (a goodly company) a man no doubt of great zeale, and of a braue Spirit: for being vrged with these vn­truths before the King of France, his stomake was so full, that he cast it vp euen in the Papists faces, and in the very presence of the King of France Henry the IV. this I say, was a true Romane, a braue Spirit, and the spi­rit of his Ancestours shined in him.

Heere my Papist intreates me to read Parsons three Conuersions, for that I may learne to lye out of M. Foxe, & Mornay Plessis, both whom are painted forth in their owne true colours; But I scorne to read Parsons, or to learne to lye of any man, neither Parson nor Minister shall teach me to lye. And heer also the wonderfull Papist falles into a wonder at me, for wrangling about the Cup, seeing my owne Rab­bins haue depriued me both of Cup & Sacrament, meat and drinke too.

He is angry likewise because I cite not the place in the Coūcell; but [Page 42] for that I haue my reasons. He de­nyeth that there is any such thing in the Councell; but only in the 13. Ses­sion there are these wordes: Though Christ did institute the Venerable Sacra­ment after supper, and administred the same in both kinds to his disciples, yet the laudable authority of sacred Canons, and approued Customs of the Church hath pra­ctised, and doth still practise, that the Sa­crament ought not to be consecrated after supper, nor be receyued of the faithfull but fasting. And so cals to me for a Decree as though I were bound to cite pla­ces at his pleasure: and like a male­pert Iacke he saith, that in this point we may be termed the giddy builders of Babilon, so great is our dissention a­bout the Eucharist.

And for the Communion in both kindes, or one kind, it was left to the iudgement of the Church; and that life eternall is promised for ea­ting one kind, and so Christ himselfe gaue it. He sayth he will not stand to [Page 43] cite places of Scripture, seeing that I belieue neuer a word in the Scripture and that he were better deale with an Infidell, then with an obstinate here­ticke. And that, I with all my Diui­nity cannot distinguish betweene a Diuine Institution, & a Diuine Pre­cept: for though he instituted it in both kindes, yet he commanded it not to be receaued in both kinds; for many things are instituted, yet not commanded, as Matrimony &c.

Lastly, if I loathed wine (as he heares I do not) he doth not doubt to get me a dispensatiō, to wash downe the sup­per of the Lord with a Cup of good March beere, or Ale. For my vntruth in this matter I must looke vpon Vr­banus Regius a learned man of our owne, who confesseth that the Sacra­mēt of one kind was ordained in the first Councell of Ephesus 1000. yeares before the Synod of Constance, for the extinguishing the Nestorian heresy, who held the body to be without the [Page 44] bloud in one kind, & the bloud to be without the body in another kind: but the Knight, saith he, holdeth it in neyther kind, and therfore but kind­ly dealt withall, to haue his kind ly­ing shewed to the whole Congrega­tion of his learned Brethren, that may giue him better counsell.

The VII. Charge.

Because I affirme in my 7. Section, that the heretickes Angelici were the first founders of praying to Saints, I cite for this Aug. lib. de haeres. who (the Papistes say) doth not so much as name Saints in that place by me cited: and that it is a plaine iugling trick to bring Augustin against that doctri­ne which the world knoweth he pra­ctised, as it is seene in his Meditations cap. 40. S. Michael, S. Gabriel, S. Raphael supplicate for me. Now, say they, these Angelici, held that Angels were to be adored as Gods, or that they thought Angels made the world, or that they [Page 45] boasted that they liued Angelicall ly­ues, and therefore placed themselues in the Order of Angels: from hence they had their name, & from hence S. Augustine numbers them among He­retikes; &, say the Papists, they num­ber the Knight amongst them for his Via tuta; this is because I haue layd out their wicked doctrine, but I promise to make them more odious if I can.

For the Collyridians, S. Aug. repre­hēds them for honouring the blessed Virgin as a Goddesse, & not for ho­noring her as Catholiks do; & so out of his authority bids me, learne the dif­ference betweene Idolatry, and honouring the friends and Saints of God.

The VIII. Charge.

Because I deriue their doctrine of Merit, & works of superogation from the Cathari; this (say they) is as true as the rest; for they boasted of their pu­rity, as I & Puritans do; that the Ca­thari & I agree in 16. Points; they de­nyed [Page 46] Pennāce as the Knight doth; & although Scripture threaten death eternall to those that do not pēnance, yet they Knight wil none. Nouatianus the Captaine of the Cathari made his followers take a solēne oath that they would neuer returne to the Pope who thē was Cornelius; so hath the Knight sworne to hate the Pope &c. which I deny not, and I loue the Cathari the better for their zeale.

Now, for the Merit, they say, there is no mention of it, but of their hypocrisy: & for their doctrine of good Works, they send me to learne, for that there are many things belonging to make a good worke merito [...]ious in the sight of God. I haue bin often taught (they say) & therfore they will not stand to repeate my lesson to me agayne, but send me to their learned Authours. Neyther will I spend tyme to learne their doctrine which I hate, & so I do all their good Works, vowing neuer to do any while I liue for their sakes: [Page 47] for in this I am of D. Luthers mind, to be opposite to the Pope in all things.

The IX. Charge.

Because I say the restraint of their Priests marriage was the heresy of Ta­tian & the Maniches, for which I cite haeres. 46. they Papists say, that Tatians heresy was for denyall of marriages, and comparing them with fornication: neyther would he receiue any into his Sect that was marryed; & there is not one sillable of the marriage of Priests, & that all the Papists condemne this for heresy, hol­ding marriage a Sacrament. That of the Maniches was another most abho­minable Heresy: for they vsing matri­moniall acts, yet most sinnefully shunned Conception: So Aug. haeres. 46. & so cō ­clude, I am a most true dealing Knight which is more praise then I deserue.

The Papist in a letter to me, no­ted also Nine Falsifications of Bellar­mine in my Via tuta, and might haue done many more but that it was tro­blesome to him; I desired him not to [Page 48] trouble himselfe with making these: but it is no matter, for I hope to shew that I haue cited Bellarmine truly, & to teach the Papists to be wary how they write bookes against a Knight; for shortly I will put forth a Booke that shall vtterly disgrace both Pope and Papists: and this the sooner, if I shall heare that your Lap. is satisfyed by this Letter, & thereby also to answer for me to those scoffing Neutralists.

And so, Right Honourable, desi­ring euer to be esteemed one of your Seruants, and one I hope that shalbe ready in this kind, against all Papists, to do you Knights Seruice, I rest,

Your Honours Seruant, euer ready to dye in your quarrell, & for the truth of the pure Word. H. Linde.
FINIS.

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